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Old 06-11-2015, 10:34 PM
 
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Old 06-12-2015, 08:27 AM
 
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Looks like someone was again caught trying to rely on irrelevant data. What a shock.
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Old 06-12-2015, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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Reports out this morning are that House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) is demanding that the final agreement must include carbon limits and other global warming mitigations in order to secure her vote. President Obama, fighting to get enough votes on Capital Hill for Fast Track, is doing quite a bit of horse trading with Democratic leaders to include various elements in the negotiated agreement that many might find odd in the TPA including Medicare financing issues.
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Old 06-12-2015, 10:02 AM
 
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Where's the lack of scrutiny again?
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Old 06-12-2015, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Reports out this morning are that House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) is demanding that the final agreement must include carbon limits and other global warming mitigations in order to secure her vote.
The fact that Nancy Palosi has any influence over national trade policy should be alarming.

With idiots like that running the country, we should be feel blessed to have a slow and inefficient government.
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Old 06-12-2015, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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Median male income; last I checked there are 2 genders.
Females now comprise the overwhelming majority of new college grads.
I chose males only because they have experienced a smaller increase in education levels. It is a much better apples to apples comparison.

Women have experienced a huge increase in their education level and career focus. Prior to the 70's few women worked and those that did tended to have relatively menial and part time jobs. A few had careers, but nothing like today. So you are comparing two very different situations. In fact nearly all of the wage difference between men and women both then and now can be attributed to their level of dedication to a career vs family life.

We can even go back to the 1800s. What we've experienced since the 70s is completely unprecedented.

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Old 06-12-2015, 03:08 PM
 
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I chose males only because they have experienced a smaller increase in education levels. It is a much better apples to apples comparison.
Hogwash. You chose males because not to do so would have put your baseless claims into tatters. As they are now in any case.

Women have always worked by the way. There have been few and only brief eras in our history when that rubric did not hold true. But I'm sure none of that would actually interest you.
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Old 06-12-2015, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with free trade. We have imbalanced trade as a result of one sided policy that benefits American consumption at the expense of American production. This does cost jobs, whether anyone is willing to accept that or not.

The things going on in US manufacturing are not sustainable. People are working extremely long and draining schedules just to meet current demand. It's hard to extract much more out of what little industrial base we have left. The only thing we can do is slap a higher price tag on the work, and hope customers keep buying.

We have an overvalued currency according to many. Our trade deficit also suggests this.
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Old 06-12-2015, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Tonawanda NY
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LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! Desperation now drives you to the posting of absurdly irrelevant charts and graphs related to the US share of global manufacturing. It's pointless, you know.

Simple facts -- so simple a caveman could understand them: Manufacturing output has soared since the mid-1990s. Manufacturing employment has declined sharply over that time. This has been the case in all of the world's significant manufacturing economies. China for instance lost more manufacturing jobs over that time than the US presently has. US losses have been about average for the group. Deal with reality for a change. Pretending you can somehow ignore it while not looking like a moron is just silly.

PS. You should probably learn how to resize graphics as well.
Interesting topic, found this article on Forbes and it says pretty much the same things you point out.

If US Manufacturing Hasn't Declined Then We Don't Have To Explain The Decline Of US Manufacturing - Forbes
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Old 06-12-2015, 06:16 PM
 
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I chose males only because they have experienced a smaller increase in education levels. It is a much better apples to apples comparison.

Women have experienced a huge increase in their education level and career focus. Prior to the 70's few women worked and those that did tended to have relatively menial and part time jobs. A few had careers, but nothing like today. So you are comparing two very different situations. In fact nearly all of the wage difference between men and women both then and now can be attributed to their level of dedication to a career vs family life.

We can even go back to the 1800s. What we've experienced since the 70s is completely unprecedented.
I do agree men have not become more educated, so in a modern economy, that has harmed them.
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