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Old 06-10-2015, 06:47 PM
 
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Show me the "soaring" please.
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What are the measures that "actually make sense"?
Already told you.
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Old 06-10-2015, 08:52 PM
 
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Yet again falling short of middle schoolers. Congrats.

Why not just run away at this point? It's the only honorable thing left for you to do.
Right on Barb!
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Old 06-10-2015, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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Already did.
Already told you.
None of your posts have more content that this one.

Unless you are a bot, I'm pretty sure you realize that debating a topic in a rational way involves providing some facts and a logical train of thought. Asking questions and answering them. You know, something real. Your incessant refusal to engage in that manner can only mean... what?
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Old 06-10-2015, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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Much of what is made there is still poor quality.
That's where China has a competitive advantage at the moment. Cheap, mass produced, labor intensive. The quality will improve just like it did in Japan.

Your wife must be from a wealthy family if Chinese made products aren't good enough for them. Most Chinese can't afford to be that picky. Or US citizens for that matter.
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Old 06-10-2015, 09:34 PM
 
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I think because its not final yet; is the reason. Common with treaties; the press speculates only. Its likely to be like EU trade or others already existing. It will be submitted to congress in due course as always.
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Old 06-10-2015, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Manufacturing output has soared since the mid-1990s, while at the same time, manufacturing employment has fallen. It's been the same here, there, and everywhere. I'm sorry that you find the reality of the world so distressing. Maybe if you'd paid more attention, these things wouldn't come a such a surprise to you.


Because it doesn't freaking matter. It's a doofus meaningless concept that you dragged in out of the rain after being stomped to death on all the measures that actually make any sense. We should have constrained growth in other sectors of the economy just to protect the share owing to manufaturing? What a hopelessly ridiculous concept!
Manufacturing output was climbing anyways. It's called technology. Adopt, or be left behind. Unfortunately, tight margins have made it difficult for US manufacturers to continue reinvesting in their businesses as a way to remain competitive.

Computers and electronics were going to drop in price, like all maturing technology. We simply lost economy of scale and competitive edge. Nothing to celebrate at all. What we are left with is the work that can be easily automated, or done without human hands. Even then, it's not like the Chinese leave much room for profit.

I don't think anyone advocated protectionism. You are simply acting like a child and painting everyone as extremists.

US just experienced a lost decade according to Deutsche Bank. Put lipstick on this pig all you want. US has experienced anemic growth for quite a long time now.
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Old 06-11-2015, 09:38 AM
 
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None of your posts have more content that this one. Unless you are a bot, I'm pretty sure you realize that debating a topic in a rational way involves providing some facts and a logical train of thought. Asking questions and answering them. You know, something real. Your incessant refusal to engage in that manner can only mean... what?
Let's review the levels of LOL...

1. Your notions concerning trade balances and exchange rates are incoherent fact-free babble.
2. Your understandings of what the Fed actually does are non-existent.
3. Your notion that free trade is making us poorer is vapid nonsense.
4. Your understanduings of debt auctions and FOMC operations are worse than kindergarten level.
5. Your persistent belief in oligarchs and their evil doings is hysterical and positively medieval.

Oh, and dragging absurdly irrelevant charts and graphs into the thread only makes you and your so-called arguments look even weaker. Manufacturing as a percent of GDP is just such a feckless artifact.

And since you are such a big fan of repetition...

Manufacturing output has soared since the mid-1990s, while at the same time, manufacturing employment has fallen. It's been the same here, there, and everywhere. I'm sorry that you find the reality of the world so distressing. Maybe if you'd paid more attention, these things wouldn't have come as such a surprise to you.
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Old 06-11-2015, 09:43 AM
 
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I think because its not final yet; is the reason. Common with treaties; the press speculates only. Its likely to be like EU trade or others already existing. It will be submitted to congress in due course as always.
Right, but this doesn't suit the temperament of the disinformed, hair-on-fire malcontents. They need their every day dose of faux-outrage over something.
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Old 06-11-2015, 10:17 AM
 
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Manufacturing output was climbing anyways. It's called technology.
Right. Output has soared and employment has plummeted. Exactly as I've been saying. And in stark contrast to stooge claims that we have lost our manufacturing niche and capabilities and are being outpaced by the rest of the world.

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You are simply acting like a child and painting everyone as extremists.
No, just pointing out the gaping holes and flaws in the insipid statements that some posters have made. When you don't know what you are talking about, the best strategy is to sit quietly and listen to those who do.

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US just experienced a lost decade according to Deutsche Bank. Put lipstick on this pig all you want. US has experienced anemic growth for quite a long time now.
See, that would be another insipid statement full of gaping holes and flaws. "Lost decade" is a phony label that over-brash know-nothings like to attach to events in Japan in the 1990's. US growth rates at that time were quite strong. More recent struggles here and everywhere else in the world occurred as the result of the Great Recession, an event first nurtured and then prolonged by idiotic US right-wing economic policies. Another example of the ignorant at work.
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Old 06-11-2015, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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Blah, blah, BS, insults, blah, blah, Blah, blah, blah, more insults.

Manufacturing output has soared since the mid-1990s, while at the same time, manufacturing employment has fallen.
Some reality, MB. I'm guessing it will make your head explode. Hope.

US and Japan declining, Europe holding steady, Russia tanked and is now recovering, developing countries are of course increasing.

That last little peak you see for the US must be your "mid 1990s soar". Gee then it quickly disappeared.

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