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Old 03-09-2012, 01:22 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Do you have a problem with with survivalism?
Not at all. People are free to do whatever they want - no matter how misguided I may feel it to be.

Ken
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Old 03-09-2012, 01:29 PM
 
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I guess the question asked begs the question of whether paul's supporters are going to say they were wrong if the dollar goes not collapase. Wilthey then say the FED did a good jobs.I doubt it as they will just move on and say it again next time there is a crisis.
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Old 03-09-2012, 01:30 PM
 
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The federal reserve is a private company and should be abolished......... every Dollar printed costs America over a Dollar to buy.
One of the most ungodly and fraudulent institutions ever perpetrated on the American people and the world, is the Federal Reserve System which through deceit became the central bank of the United States in 1913. The idea came about on a meeting in Jekyll Island off the coast of Georgia in 1910. The bankers in this country, especially J.P. Morgan, created a currency panic in 1907 in order to get the American people to accept the idea of a central bank.
The idea of a central bank is to so enslave the people of the country to a debt money system that you continue to collect taxes continuously which just covers the interest. The duped people of the United States are paying about $400 billion dollars per year to the IRS which is the collection agency for the Federal Reserve. By the way, the Federal Reserve is a privately owned bank with 10 private members. The Chase Manhattan Bank is a member which is owned by the Rockefellers who are Rothschild Agents.
Here are the ten member banks of the Federal Reserve (all owned by the Rothschilds)

Rothschild Bank of London
Warburg Bank of Hamburg
Rothschild Bank of Berlin
Lehman Brothers of New York*
Lazard Brothers of Paris
Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York*
Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
Goldman, Sachs of New York
Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
*In 1977 Kuhn Loeb and Lehman Brothers merged to create Kuhn Loeb, Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Collapse of the Dollar?????? As long as it is in their interests.... yes....................

Indeed ... Even Woodrow Wilson regretted having signed the Federal Reserve Act and before he died said concerning it ... "I am a most unhappy man--unwittingly I have ruined my country."
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Old 03-09-2012, 01:34 PM
 
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Explain to me how laying off hundred of thousands of public employees and gutting and eliminating programs that improve the economy is sound economic policy? When has weakening demand for goods and services ever increased higher economic activity?
Exactly what programs are you referring to that improve the economy?

As far as firing people in government jobs, that would save us very much in tax revenues. They would have to start their own businesses or get into the work field. And by eliminating their Government positions and ending the foreign aid and the military adventurism, we could then lower taxes across the board and get rid of NAFTA and GATT and WTO and then we would give incentive to businesses to actually build their manufacturing facilities over here and provide industry in this nation again. You obviously have no clue how Jobs are created or what real sound economic policy is all about. Here is a clue, there is nothing sound about a fractional reserve banking system based on a counterfeiting scheme.
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Old 03-09-2012, 01:36 PM
 
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Exactly what programs are you referring to that improve the economy?

As far as firing people in government jobs, that would save us very much in tax revenues. They would have to start their own businesses or get into the work field. And by eliminating their Government position and ending the foreign aid and the military adventurism, we could lower taxes and get rid of NAFTA and GATT and WTO and then we could give incentive to businesses to actually build their manufacturing facilities over here and provide industry in this nation again. You obvioulsy have no clue how Jobs are created or what real sound economic policy is all about.
So you can't explain how destroying demand for goods and services will improve the economy? That's probably why the developed world and emerging economies reject Ron Paul's philosophy.
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Old 03-09-2012, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Gone
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Explain to me how laying off hundred of thousands of public employees and gutting and eliminating programs that improve the economy is sound economic policy? When has weakening demand for goods and services ever increased higher economic activity?
Hmmmmm, I do not seem to be able to find where they answered your simple question. They were never able to answer it when I asked how laying off hundreds of thousands of Americans would help the economy, instead I got another sort of reply, you know the one they always resort to when they get cornered. Idealists rarely do well answering questions related with the real world, it why they are not in charge of anything important and never will be.
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Old 03-09-2012, 01:45 PM
 
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So you can't explain how destroying demand for goods and services will improve the economy? That's probably why the developed world and emerging economies reject Ron Paul's philosophy.
You are basing your opinion on the false idea that we can continue to mount debt and use deficit spending measures to stabilize our economy. The only reason why it is working right now is because America is holding the world hostage in the currency wars. But it wont last ... the debt must be paid eventually, and printing trillions of dollars is not the answer, it is a big part of the problem.
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Old 03-09-2012, 01:47 PM
 
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You are basing your opinion on the false idea that we can continue to mount debt and use deficit spending measures to stabilize our economy. The only reason why it is working right now is because America is holding the world hostage in the currency wars. But it wont last ... the debt must be paid eventually, and printing trillions of dollars is not the answer, it is a big part of the problem.
Now you're projecting. I said nothing of that. We need more tax revenue, spending cuts, and reforms. That being said, you still can't answer how decreasing demand will improve the economy.
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Old 03-09-2012, 01:49 PM
 
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Hmmmmm, I do not seem to be able to find where they answered your simple question. They were never able to answer it when I asked how laying off hundreds of thousands of Americans would help the economy, instead I got another sort of reply, you know the one they always resort to when they get cornered. Idealists rarely do well answering questions related with the real world, it why they are not in charge of anything important and never will be.
I answered the question directly in fact ... It is simply that you are a socialist, and so is winter sucks, and that is why you refuse to acknowledge the problems of nationalization and the answer of a true free market economy.
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Old 03-09-2012, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Gone
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I answered the question directly in fact ... It is simply that you are a socialist, and so is winter sucks, and that is why you refuse to acknowledge the problems of nationalization.
Really where is it? I am a captialist, ask anyone, but yes I do believe in some social programs to help people in need, you on the other hand do not, to each their own, I prefer the company I keep.
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