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Old 08-29-2012, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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For a minute, let us accept that Ann never experienced a single woman/parent struggle in life.
Hell, let's just make Ann a man.

It still has to do with money, politically speaking.
Especially when using federal tax dollars to pay for poor women/men with children.

There needs to be an education of sorts - you shouldn't have a child/children
you, yourself, can not afford to care for their basic needs.
At least that's the wisdom, my single parent working mom of four passed down to me
*sigh* Again, this is not about using federal tax dollars, but struggling working taxpaying women!!!

Was your mother a single parent by design - was it her own choice? If so, was she able to afford to give each of you all that you needed? Or was it circumstances that caused her to become a single parent?

And you know what, sh*t happens. What does the woman do who has 3 kids and the husband walks out? Or the husband dies? Or the husband loses his job? What about women who leave their husband because he is an abuser (mentally/emotionally/physically) or gets sick of his cheating, or is a drug addict or just plain doesn't want to work. All things that they didn't plan for.
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Old 08-29-2012, 03:55 PM
 
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Because Michelle Obama didn't grow up in a "nice" neighborhood???

Because the "gifted and talented" programs Michelle Obama was a part of were in public schools?

Michelle Obama has lifetime experiences that approximate the kinds of lives the average American woman live.

I think quite highly of Ann Romney, but she's never had real financial worries. Average people do. And financial worries color every part of a person's life. When you are trying to decide if you're going to pay the electric bill or the mortgage this month, you also are counting your pennies about the gas you put in the car, you're not going anywhere, you're not buying magazines at the store, you're letting out Susie's old dress so that her younger sister Sharon can wear it this year. You're hollering at Tommy for ripping his jeans because you can't afford to buy new jeans, and these were his good jeans to wear to church. It's these kinds of thoughts, and how money affects every aspect of their lives, this kind of reality, that average Americans do deal with, and Mrs Romney, who seems generous and caring and genuine, still for all her empathy, would have a hard time understanding, because it's utterly foreign to her. When money gets tight and Mitt can just sell more stock, that's a reality that foreign to the rest of us, but that was Ann Romney's reality when she and Mitt were just starting out. When they needed a place to live near Harvard, Mitt's dad bought it for them. That was Ann Romney's reality, which is foreign to the average American. They started out with money, made more money, and made more and more and more money. That's not the reality for average Americans.
There are about 340 million people in the country from different backgrounds, cultures, economic stressors, health concerns (both personal and family history), living in different areas with different norms and with different priorities. Some people are poor by making the choice for less money in favor of time; is they're xperience the same as someone else's with little money? Probably not. There is nobody that can really understand what any majority of the country goes through because your experience of all of life's influences can't be representative. This standard of having to have a representative background has never been applied to the left.

You're right, she is generous and caring which is evidenced by her charitable work. I doubt those people she helped ever said she wasn't able to be helpful because her day to day life wasn't the same. To be helpful, you have to care, be willing to hear what the need is, and be able to figure out how to help. Do bankrupcy lawyers have to have been bankrupt? Does a doctor working in a community clinic have to have had the same disease as the patient? Does a person who establishes a charity have to have suffered the same plight as those who benefit to be able to be helpful? Why would we allow a school principal in public schools who has not been poor since they're in a position to influence children and have not been in their position?

Is Nancy Pelosi a real woman who has faced struggles? How about Teresa Heinz Kerry?
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Old 08-29-2012, 04:00 PM
 
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There are about 340 million people in the country from different backgrounds, cultures, economic stressors, health concerns (both personal and family history), living in different areas with different norms and with different priorities. Some people are poor by making the choice for less money in favor of time; is they're xperience the same as someone else's with little money? Probably not. There is nobody that can really understand what any majority of the country goes through because your experience of all of life's influences can't be representative. This standard of having to have a representative background has never been applied to the left.

You're right, she is generous and caring which is evidenced by her charitable work. I doubt those people she helped ever said she wasn't able to be helpful because her day to day life wasn't the same. To be helpful, you have to care, be willing to hear what the need is, and be able to figure out how to help. Do bankrupcy lawyers have to have been bankrupt? Does a doctor working in a community clinic have to have had the same disease as the patient? Does a person who establishes a charity have to have suffered the same plight as those who benefit to be able to be helpful? Why would we allow a school principal in public schools who has not been poor since they're in a position to influence children and have not been in their position?

Is Nancy Pelosi a real woman who has faced struggles? How about Teresa Heinz Kerry?
Has Mitt Romney or anyone else for that matter said that he turns to Nancy Pelosi or to Teresa Heinz Kerry for insight into the lives of the average American woman?

Because Mitt Romney has said that he turns to Ann Romney for insight into the lives of the average American woman.
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Old 08-29-2012, 04:08 PM
 
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Has Mitt Romney or anyone else for that matter said that he turns to Nancy Pelosi or to Teresa Heinz Kerry for insight into the lives of the average American woman?

Because Mitt Romney has said that he turns to Ann Romney for insight into the lives of the average American woman.
No, but Pelosi is/was in a very powerful position with direct influence on legislation so how can she be trusted to know what's best for average women?

There are a lot of things that make a person average. Finances are one, but life is about more than money. She raised 5 kids and loves them. She has the same concerns for her kids that other women have. She wants them to have a good education, good health etc. She may be able to pay for it easier, but she understands the importance and concern. She has been diagnosed with significant illness which is a concern average people face. She has done charitable work in inner-cities - which probably isn't average.
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Old 08-29-2012, 04:10 PM
 
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*sigh* Again, this is not about using federal tax dollars, but struggling working taxpaying women!!!

And you know what, sh*t happens.
The scenario of one who is employed making income as head of household with child credits doesn't
pay any FEDERAL taxes under our present IRS system, if they are "struggling financially" as you put it.

All your scenarios happen; it's called life.
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Old 08-29-2012, 04:11 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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No, but Pelosi is/was in a very powerful position with direct influence on legislation so how can she be trusted to know what's best for average women?

There are a lot of things that make a person average. Finances are one, but life is about more than money. She raised 5 kids and loves them. She has the same concerns for her kids that other women have. She wants them to have a good education, good health etc. She may be able to pay for it easier, but she understands the importance and concern. She has been diagnosed with significant illness which is a concern average people face. She has done charitable work in inner-cities - which probably isn't average.
I haven't heard about that. Can you tell us what kind of work she's done, a link maybe?

Never mind. I found it. She worked with a group that advocated celibacy for inner-city girls.
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Old 08-29-2012, 04:31 PM
 
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I do not think anyone should fault Ann or her family for being successful. That should not be the point of anything. Congrats to them.

The problem that comes with being rich(filthy rich in their case) is trying to relate to the common person's problem. She can't do it at all. There is no way. Their problems are always going to be different compared to the average person's problem.

For example, I know you all heard about Mitt's thinking about putting an elevator in the house to help his wife move about the house. Then mentioning putting an elevator in the new house he is having built now. When someone has multiple sclerosis, most of the time, their options are not...lets install an elevator to help you around the house.

Embrace your wealth and help others. Don't pretend that you are not rich.

Makes no sense.
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Old 08-29-2012, 04:34 PM
 
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Never mind. I found it. She worked with a group that advocated celibacy for inner-city girls.
And that's a bad thing?

Personally, I'd be handing out the patch and have vasectomy stands everywhere,
not just the inner city.

And, I really would like to see this statement become the norm:

"Sure, kids will have sex, but if you get pregnant don't expect a welfare check"

FYI, Ann also worked with the Olympic Aid charity, which provides athletic activities
and programs for children in war-torn regions. Maybe Ann will have some influence
over Mitt's war monger policies... If Romney wins, I'm hoping he is a flip flopper on
that front. Unlike O'bomb a.
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Old 08-29-2012, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Texas State Fair
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Anne Romney knows what it's like for women who don't have a choice and knows what it is to "struggle".

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Daily Kos: Ann Romney Sticks Her Silver Foot In Her Mouth Again
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Yes Ann, and those women who don't have a choice are just as thrilled as you are. Living on a shoe string, hoping that they cover the rent, can put food on the table, pay the bills, clothe their children. I'm sure you know how life isn't easy when it comes to that kind of situation.



Yes Ann, those are all the things that women who don't have a choice do while holding down a job. I'm sure you know what it's like to scrape the bottom of your handbag looking for change, have a zero balance in your checkbook or maxed our your credit card because you had to put food on the table or the kids needed shoes. I'm sure your had sleepness nights wondering if you were going to get through the next month to keep the roof over your familly's head. They may have some help at home - a husband who is unemployed and struggling to look for a job. Would that be her domestic help?

Yes Ann, you aren't any different from those single parent women. One can only imagine the struggles you have gone through, especially having domestic help, and will continue to go through
.
Like she said in her convention speech...

Those fairy tell stories don't include struggles with MS, or breast cancer. There is no choice there.
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Old 08-29-2012, 04:40 PM
 
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Do they REALLY want to attack a woman who had battled breast cancer and MS and is still battling? They must be idiots, they clearly have no compassion. I just wonder how many will see through their trash talk though.
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