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Old 03-22-2015, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Planet Earth
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Originally Posted by ConeyGirl52 View Post
We are going global and have been for a decade at least. Im not sure it really matters - as long as you arent from another planet.
It mattered when President Obama was running. It should matter here. No different standards.....

 
Old 03-22-2015, 05:42 PM
 
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If he wasn't born here, and only one parent was an American, how does he qualify to be president of the United States? Doesn't the US Constitution have something in it about having to be born in the USA and having to be an American?
I agree with you. He was born in Canada.
 
Old 03-22-2015, 05:46 PM
 
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It mattered when President Obama was running. It should matter here. No different standards.....
If you insist, but now that you have brought our 2 term president into the topic - isnt the origin of his particular birth still being debated somewhere? I bet somewhere out there it is. I havent seen where everyone came together somewhere, hugged, sang Kumbaya, and stated the matter is at rest to everyone's satisfaction - have you? Can you post a link?

I agree. No different standards.
 
Old 03-22-2015, 06:04 PM
 
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If you insist, but now that you have brought our 2 term president into the topic - isnt the origin of his particular birth still being debated somewhere? I bet somewhere out there it is. I havent seen where everyone came together somewhere, hugged, sang Kumbaya, and stated the matter is at rest to everyone's satisfaction - have you? Can you post a link?

I agree. No different standards.
That's not at issue here. What's at issue here is the same standards should apply. Simple. If Obama was not born here, then he too should not have been president. Simple. Did he produce evidence? I believe so. It may not have been satisfactory evidence for those who don't like him, but he gave some. What will Ted Cruz bring?

From a historical perspective at least eight of our Presidents weren't American born, however. No double standards in terms of scrutiny going forward.
 
Old 03-22-2015, 06:09 PM
 
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That's not at issue here. What's at issue here is the same standards should apply. Simple. If Obama was not born here, then he too should not have been president. Simple. Did he produce evidence? I believe so. It may not have been satisfactory evidence for those who don't like him, but he gave some. What will Ted Cruz bring?

From a historical perspective at least eight of our Presidents weren't American born, however. No double standards in terms of scrutiny going forward.
I dont know that he isnt a citizen, but I do know he's been president twice. I dont know why you brought him into the discussion at all, since you can hardly say whether he is American or not.

Is this your thread Ernie?

The first president couldnt be born in a new country, lol. Neither could the rest of the guys that drafted and signed off on the Declaration of Independence.

MY POINT (what ConeyGirl52 said) is that in a global governed world, how can it possibly matter?
 
Old 03-22-2015, 06:12 PM
 
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That's not at issue here. What's at issue here is the same standards should apply. Simple. If Obama was not born here, then he too should not have been president. Simple. Did he produce evidence? I believe so. It may not have been satisfactory evidence for those who don't like him, but he gave some. What will Ted Cruz bring?

From a historical perspective at least eight of our Presidents weren't American born, however. No double standards in terms of scrutiny going forward.

There is no dispute as to where Senator Cruz was born, everyone agrees that he was born in Canada.

In President Obama's case, there was a question about the facts of the situation, here its only the law.

Legal experts have opined that Cruz is eligible to be president, based upon the undisputed facts.
 
Old 03-22-2015, 06:26 PM
 
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If he wasn't born here, and only one parent was an American, how does he qualify to be president of the United States? Doesn't the US Constitution have something in it about having to be born in the USA and having to be an American?
It is actually not 100% sure he does qualify. The definition of a "natural born" citizen has never been explicitly declared in a constitutional amendment, or had a supreme court case ruling.

However, he probably does qualify because his mother is american, and thus, he was given american citizenship at birth. So far, anyone given citizenship at birth has been considered a "natural born" american citizen, even if that person was born outside of the US. This has come up before - John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, and Mitt Romney's father ran for president, and he was born in Mexico. They were both considered eligible for the presidency.
 
Old 03-22-2015, 06:42 PM
 
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he can still become the president because his parent is american.
 
Old 03-22-2015, 06:43 PM
 
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So far most that I have met claiming Cruz is ineligible have been Republicans, probably Bush supporters.
 
Old 03-22-2015, 06:44 PM
 
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It is actually not 100% sure he does qualify. The definition of a "natural born" citizen has never been explicitly declared in a constitutional amendment, or had a supreme court case ruling.

However, he probably does qualify because his mother is american, and thus, he was given american citizenship at birth. So far, anyone given citizenship at birth has been considered a "natural born" american citizen, even if that person was born outside of the US. This has come up before - John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, and Mitt Romney's father ran for president, and he was born in Mexico. They were both considered eligible for the presidency.
Interesting. Thanks for the post.
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