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Old 03-04-2015, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Why does government have to or get to issue a license? Two people in love need an okay from government?
A Civil Marriage is nothing more than a legally binding document that makes it easier for two people to combine their property and assets in one simple document.
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Old 03-04-2015, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Why is government even involved in marriage?
Um I don't know, ask why the government is banning gays from marrying?
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Old 03-04-2015, 09:34 PM
 
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Where in the Constitution does it say it's the Federal governments job to decide who is or isn't married.
14th Amendment. Equal protection under the law.

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If you knew anything about the Constitution you'd understand states rights at a minimum.
Constitution like when women couldn't vote? Don't you like the Constitution?
We amended the Constitution to give women the right to vote. And now we will make sure gays have equal protection under the law as provided for in the 14th Amendment as well.

So yeah, I love the Constitution. You?
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Old 03-05-2015, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Florida
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You call two men or two women marrying each other a cultural change and an equal rights issue? If our culture is headed in that direction then we are aren't on the right path as a Christian nation. There is no comparison to that and your scenario about how women and blacks were treated in the past. It's not the same thing at all.
The U.S. is not a Christian nation and was never founded on Christianity. 50% of Americans under the age of 28 are nonreligious. And Americans are leaving organized religion in DROVES:

Americans are turning away from organized religion in record numbers
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Old 03-05-2015, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Look up the meaning of Fundamental Right and why the Constitution doesn't need to list everything for something to be a right. Plus the benefit of the Constitution is that it has the ability to be changed as society changes.
Look up what a right is. No one has a right to get married. They have a right to live their life as they please as long a they dont step on the rights of others. It is governments job to protect rights, they dont get to decide what is or isnt a right.
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Old 03-05-2015, 08:14 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Nice job trying to revise history and also ignore that slavery existed in the Northern colonies during the founding of our country.

Then why the need for the 3/5 compromise?
Why not say, you have to give up slavery, to join our union.....
You think all the states would have become their own nations, if that had happened?

The federal government didn't want representation, where it was not really going to be(blacks could not vote) in the US House of Reps. The south would have dominated the representation and presidential electoral votes, if the 3/5 compromise wasn't signed. If women didn't have the right to vote in the majority of states, blacks certainly were not going to be allowed(States control the vote of the people of the State)
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Old 03-05-2015, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Should private businesses be allowed to discriminate against black people?
Should private businesses be allowed to discriminate? I took the drama queen part of your post out since you obviously are wanting to play the race card. And I already answered your pathetic attempt of a loaded question. How about if I play the race card the other way. Does a black business owner have to serve a klansman?

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As for government involvement in marriage... irrelevant.
Yes it is relevant.

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What IS relevant is the equal protection clause.
What IS relevant is governments small defined role which is protecting rights and not running our lives from cradle to grave. Man up and run your own life and quit forcing your lifestyle on others. It's repugnant.

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Sorry, y'all don't get to make laws against people just because you hate them. Such laws against black people were overturned, and such laws against gay people will be likewise.
LMAO You just showed what a pathetic race card player you are. The very same entity that denied blacks from marrying whites YOU want to ALLOW them to decide who does or doesn't get married. You're Jim Crow. You want to force others to accept what YOU think is the moral thing to do. Using force in order to be moral. Your ideology is a disgrace. Why can't you learn? The sad part of your unfounded statement is you entirely missed the point.

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And it's gonna be fun watching all y'all bigots wail about it
It's gonna be fun reading posts from all y'all immoral hypocrites who think you can force others to do things your way even though no ones rights have been violated.

Let me spell it out for you once again even though you it will fly right over your head. Marriage isn't a right. No one should force another to accept their marriage. Government should not deny or accept anyones marriage. They should stay out of the marriage business completely.
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Old 03-05-2015, 08:26 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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In my view, and in the view of a majority of americans, including religious americans, that is exactly what it is.

You don't have to like it. But your claiming religious primacy in a secular nation is a specious argument.
The rule is: The government is to stay completely out of Gods business, but Gods will never stay out of Governments business.

That is the difference in freedom of religion, which is the constitutional law. Compared to freedom from religion, which is unconstitutional.
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Old 03-05-2015, 08:26 AM
 
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Look up what a right is. No one has a right to get married. They have a right to live their life as they please as long a they dont step on the rights of others. It is governments job to protect rights, they dont get to decide what is or isnt a right.
Whose rights get stepped on when a same-sex couple get married?
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Old 03-05-2015, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Texas
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A Civil Marriage is nothing more than a legally binding document that makes it easier for two people to combine their property and assets in one simple document.
As far as those assets go, it is governments role to enforce that contract.
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