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Old 04-24-2015, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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OK, how would you like it if someone goes around town plastering billboards about you disallowing their business because of your beliefs going against the way they live their lives and picketing your property with signs calling you a bigot where the property line ends? Hey it's their right to protest and free speech right. You can't have it both ways, but you already know that (even if you don't show it.
Well I wouldn't "like" it but that is how a free society works. If I find that billboards are lying I can sue the people behind them defamation of character and libel. Sustained protests aren't really something I worry about because eventually people run out of steam or find some other cause to be outraged by.

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The Jim Crow laws applied to public and private. It didn't matter if the bus company was public or private, they could do it and now cannot even when private.
Getting rid of Jim Crow was good. That was not freedom either, that was the same thing the CRA is expect applied more nobly. [/quote]
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Old 04-24-2015, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Utah
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They are equal rights. I can't infringe on your rights to practice religion but you can't discriminate against me by race or sex (again that is in the Constitution under the 14th Amendment where everyone is equally protected under the law.)
But apparently equal protection doesn't apply to people practicing their faith as they see fit?

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How does that differ from in general other than the specific case? Quite frankly if I were discriminated by a business, I would NEVER frequent them again because they are bigots. It don't matter if it is because of only the gay marriage or pregnant rape victim baby shower or because of the fact of one being gay or being an unwed mother.
And there is exactly why we don't need to prosecute the people who choose not to participate in events they consider immoral. Their customers will. If a law is unnecessary, it shouldn't be on the books to be abused.

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What about the Christian right who claim that pregnancy by rape is still the miracle of life and there for murder which is immoral by God or that gays are immoral because God said "Man shall not lay with another man," and there for they should not marry? That can't be the religious right forcing morals on people through law.
Even with some stupid men on the fringe, generally pro-life people allow for exceptions. It's called compromise, not fighting to the death for the fringe. Sorry, but to me, allowing people the right to refuse to do something in opposition to their religious belief is reasonable, as long as they don't engage in a general pattern of abuse.

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Yeah but can companies have religious views if their vision or mission statements do not reflect religion? As I've said in other posts, it's one thing if Tony's Pizza has religious iconography on the walls and ask you to pray before eating but another if Tony's Pizza only claims religious freedom when asked to do a gay wedding rehearsal dinner.
Again, you or I don't decide how Tony gets to exercise his religious beliefs, or at least we shouldn't. It's up to him. He's apt to pay for his decision if he offends gays or minorities whether exercising his religious rights or not.
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Old 04-24-2015, 08:17 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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OK, how would you like it if someone goes around town plastering billboards about you disallowing their business because of your beliefs going against the way they live their lives and picketing your property with signs calling you a bigot where the property line ends? Hey it's their right to protest and free speech right.

By god.... I think you are getting it. Public pressure and public acceptance, works way better than force ever will
Force creates resentment, rebellion and in extreme cases retaliation.
The public making you go broke and you may think... damn I screwed up.
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Old 04-24-2015, 08:29 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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They are equal rights. I can't infringe on your rights to practice religion but you can't discriminate against me by race or sex (again that is in the Constitution under the 14th Amendment where everyone is equally protected under the law.)




If that were the case, Affirmative Action, food stamps, public housing and most important of all, ladies night at the dance hall... would also apply to me.
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Old 04-25-2015, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Planet Telex
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Yeah because it was a Republican who signed NAFTA...oh wait, no it wasn't.
Clinton was a first-class corporatist so it was no shock that he supported it.
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Old 04-25-2015, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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Clinton was a first-class corporatist so it was no shock that he supported it.
Yeah but leftists have this funny way of blaming the GOP for everything they don't like. NAFTA and the Patriot Act are two prime examples. Bill Clinton signed off on NAFTA and Joe Biden crafted the Patriot Act. In reality both parties are complicit in both of those instances.
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Old 04-25-2015, 02:04 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Yeah but leftists have this funny way of blaming the GOP for everything they don't like. NAFTA and the Patriot Act are two prime examples. Bill Clinton signed off on NAFTA and Joe Biden crafted the Patriot Act. In reality both parties are complicit in both of those instances.

It is like WWE Wrestling. All a big act, and then they all go grab a beer and a bite to eat.

Then someone like Ron,Ted or Rand steps in, and it is like... Oh hell no.
Progressive Socialistic Fascism, makes them and their buddies big money rich, so they can all sit on the ivory tower together and look down and have a party on our dime.
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Old 04-27-2015, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Yeah but leftists have this funny way of blaming the GOP for everything they don't like. NAFTA and the Patriot Act are two prime examples. Bill Clinton signed off on NAFTA and Joe Biden crafted the Patriot Act. In reality both parties are complicit in both of those instances.
And let's remember many republicans who wanted that and The wars but now are saying the invasions of land and or privacy was wrong. So both sides are known for flip flops. But we already knew that...
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Old 04-27-2015, 01:17 PM
 
Location: in the soup
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By god.... I think you are getting it. Public pressure and public acceptance, works way better than force ever will
Force creates resentment, rebellion and in extreme cases retaliation.
The public making you go broke and you may think... damn I screwed up.
And yet segregation in private enterprises continued for a CENTURY after slavery was ended.

Why didn't the Holy Free Market take care of the problem BEFORE the Feds had to step in?
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Old 04-27-2015, 01:21 PM
 
Location: in the soup
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Hey, so I have a question for y'all Rand Paul supporters.

Can you each please list some specific actions that are currently banned by the Civil Rights Act, but that you would like to be made legal?

Thanks!
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