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Old 10-24-2015, 05:46 AM
 
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They weren't "saved". They were going nowhere.
They can't be paid if the stock market crashes, so yes, they were saved by the bailouts, QE, and ZIRP which has directed QE dollars into pumping up the stock market.

If you don't understand that, you're less aware of what's going on than I gave you credit for.
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Old 10-24-2015, 06:03 AM
 
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They can't be paid if the stock market crashes, so yes, they were saved by the bailouts, QE, and ZIRP which has directed QE dollars into pumping up the stock market.

If you don't understand that, you're less aware of what's going on than I gave you credit for.
See as I originally said, you support welfare programs when you feel they benefit you and will go to any extreme to defend them but yet you will condemn others for doing the same for programs they see as benefiting them.
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Old 10-24-2015, 06:06 AM
 
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You are aware that working people can earn in excess of $1 million, no? Just look at media or sports. There are other workers, likewise, who also earn a lot.
The working class are manual labor and blue collar workers.

You are constantly advocating that you as a working class person should pay full price for all the benefits you get of living in a society like America. No more handouts, your own words. That includes no more publicly financed roads. A truly regressive system has user fees on EVERYTHING! If you do not support private toll booths on every road in America, so that you as a working class person pay exactly the same dollar amount as Kim Kardashian and other multimillionaires, you are simply a hypocrite.
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Old 10-24-2015, 06:10 AM
 
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See as I originally said, you support welfare programs when you feel they benefit you
No, I don't. How many times do I have to say I was against the bailouts, against QE, and against ZIRP?
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Old 10-24-2015, 06:16 AM
 
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The working class are manual labor and blue collar workers.

You are constantly advocating that you as a working class person should pay full price for all the benefits you get of living in a society like America. No more handouts, your own words. That includes no more publicly financed roads. A truly regressive system has user fees on EVERYTHING! If you do not support private toll booths on every road in America, so that you as a working class person pay exactly the same dollar amount as Kim Kardashian and other multimillionaires, you are simply a hypocrite.
No more hand outs includes things like bail outs and Q.E. also. We can see that he obviously doesn't actually believe what he says.
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Old 10-24-2015, 06:17 AM
 
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No, I don't. How many times do I have to say I was against the bailouts, against QE, and against ZIRP?
I guess you need to keep on saying it until you actually believe it.
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Old 10-24-2015, 06:17 AM
 
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The working class are manual labor and blue collar workers.
The working class is anyone who WORKS for their income.

We already know that the U.S. is taxing incorrectly if we wish to have more and better social and safety net programs. The only countries successfully providing such are Scandinavian and European, and they tax REGRESSIVELY. PLUS they have no FATCA laws and as such allow their rich to hide income, gains, and profits so that they're tax-free.

That's what the U.S. should be doing if you wish the same social and benefits structure. Why not emulate a model already proven to work?
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Old 10-24-2015, 06:19 AM
 
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I guess you need to keep on saying it until you actually believe it.
I already believe it. You're the one who seems to be confused.
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Old 10-24-2015, 06:32 AM
 
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The working class is anyone who WORKS for their income.
No its not. It's used as a term for manual labor and blue collar workers. Generally, lower middle class. Kanye West or the hedge fund manager is not part of the working class, lol!

You dont seem to be willing to put your money where your mouth is and dont want to support user fees on everything, to get your regressive paradise. Toll booths on every road in America and skyrocketing user fees on everything is what you get when you want everyone to pay exactly for what they use. Hardly anything would be funded through taxes. Then you get your "small government, no more handouts paradise". A paradise for the 0.01%. A nightmare for the rest of us. That's the dream of the super rich families who fund the candidates for election, and that's what you get when you vote for their mouthpieces. They laugh at people like you. You really should stop working as a shill for the rich.
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Old 10-24-2015, 06:39 AM
 
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No its not.
Yes, it is. WORKING class, as opposed to those who are trust fund babies or live only off of investment income.


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You don't seem to be willing to put your money where your mouth is and dont want to support user fees on everything, to get your regressive paradise.
Sure I do. When did I ever state otherwise? I even have an I-Pass transmitter in my car to pay tolls.

And I'll reiterate that Scandinavian and European countries have public roads paid for by their REGRESSIVE tax systems.

They have more and better social and safety net programs, too. So let's follow their model and tax REGRESSIVELY.
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