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Old 01-14-2016, 08:04 AM
 
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And still, the 1790 Naturalization Act existed, it was actually written by Founding Fathers
And subsequently repealed a very short time later by the Founding Fathers.

The 1790 Naturalization Act was REPEALED and "natural born" REMOVED in 1795, never to be seen again to this day.

A 2004 attempt (S. 2128) to reinstate "natural born" FAILED.

Cruz is ineligible.
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Old 01-14-2016, 08:05 AM
 
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Note the difference: 'born a citizen' does not equal 'natural born Citizen.'
Your own source contradicts this assertion.
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Old 01-14-2016, 08:07 AM
 
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Then by your logic, no one alive today is eligible.
Not my logic. It's a Constitutional requirement: No one born a foreign citizen/subject is eligible for POTUS.

Historical FACTS matter...

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If you want to know the meaning of "natural born citizen" when it was drafted into the adopted Constitution, you have to follow the historical timeline and examine the historical documents related to such...

The Constitution's Presidential eligibility clause as originally presented by Alexander Hamilton in June 1787:

"No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States."

A Century of Lawmaking for a New Nation: U.S. Congressional Documents and Debates, 1774 - 1875


The eligibility clause as adopted in September 1787, and as it exists to this day in the Constitution:

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President"

Note the difference: 'born a citizen' does not equal 'natural born Citizen.'

The term was specifically changed after John Jay's July 1787 letter to George Washington to block any chance of future Presidents owing allegiance to other foreign nations or having foreign claims on their allegiance and service since birth from becoming President and Commander in Chief of the Military.

https://dlc.library.columbia.edu/jay/ldpd:68356

The meaning and intent of "natural born citizen" in the Constitution's Presidential eligibility requirement is that NO ONE born a foreign citizen/subject (and that includes those born dual citizens because they are born a foreign citizen/subject) is eligible for the office of POTUS and the US Commander in Chief.

That's the very straightforward, historically factual, and fully documented truth.
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Old 01-14-2016, 08:07 AM
 
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And subsequently repealed a very short time later by the Founding Fathers.

The 1790 Naturalization Act was REPEALED and "natural born" REMOVED in 1795, never to be seen again to this day.

A 2004 attempt (S. 2128) to reinstate "natural born" FAILED.

Cruz is ineligible.
Once again, you cannot deny that the Founding Fathers wrote the 1790 Naturalization Act, and that in doing so, they negated all your arguments that they were xenophobic.
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Old 01-14-2016, 08:09 AM
 
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Your own source contradicts this assertion.
No, it does not. That's why the terminology CHANGED from the draft version to the adopted version.

"Born a citizen" does not equal "natural born citizen."
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Old 01-14-2016, 08:10 AM
 
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"No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States."

Since natural-born citizen is a qualification for becoming President of the United States, and born a citizen is written as a qualification for becoming President of the United States there is reason to say that "natural-born citizen" and "born a citizen" are indeed interchangeable.
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Old 01-14-2016, 08:11 AM
 
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Once again, you cannot deny that the Founding Fathers wrote the 1790 Naturalization Act
And promptly repealed it in 1795.

"Natural born" was REMOVED in the 1795 Act, never to be seen again to this day.

A 2004 attempt (S. 2128) to reinstate "natural born" FAILED.

Cruz is ineligible.
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Old 01-14-2016, 08:13 AM
 
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And promptly repealed it in 1795.

"Natural born" was REMOVED in the 1795 Act, never to be seen again to this day.

A 2004 attempt (S. 2128) to reinstate "natural born" FAILED.

Cruz is ineligible.
Only in your dreams. If Cruz was born a citizen of the United States, which we know is true, then he is eligible.
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Old 01-14-2016, 08:14 AM
 
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FALSE. He learned of his dual citizenship in 2014. He began the process to renounce his dual citizenship in 2014.

Do you have proof that Cruz ever knew that citizenship was conferred upon him at birth? Does he have a passport from Canada?

Regardless, this is irrelevant, since Cruz' mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth, and therefore, just like McCain, Goldwater and Romney, he is deemed qualified to hold the office of the Presidency.
My brother was born in Bogota, Columbia but since his birth it was always a known fact that he had dual citizenship (both my parents are US citizens). How could Cruz not know that he had dual citizenship until 2014?
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Old 01-14-2016, 08:15 AM
 
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If you want to know the meaning of "natural born citizen" when it was drafted into the adopted Constitution, you have to follow the historical timeline and examine the historical documents related to such...

The Constitution's Presidential eligibility clause as originally presented by Alexander Hamilton in June 1787:

"No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States."

A Century of Lawmaking for a New Nation: U.S. Congressional Documents and Debates, 1774 - 1875


The eligibility clause as adopted in September 1787, and as it exists to this day in the Constitution:

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President"

Note the difference: 'born a citizen' does not equal 'natural born Citizen.'

The term was specifically changed after John Jay's July 1787 letter to George Washington to block any chance of future Presidents owing allegiance to other foreign nations or having foreign claims on their allegiance and service since birth from becoming President and Commander in Chief of the Military.

https://dlc.library.columbia.edu/jay/ldpd:68356

The meaning and intent of "natural born citizen" in the Constitution's Presidential eligibility requirement is that NO ONE born a foreign citizen/subject (and that includes those born dual citizens because they are born a foreign citizen/subject) is eligible for the office of POTUS and the US Commander in Chief.

That's the very straightforward, historically factual, and fully documented truth.

You keep repeating the same thing in different threads, but I believe you are mistaken. For one, you are ignoring, utterly, the Fourteenth Amendment, which states:


"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."


We must recall that the section of the Constitution you keep referring to says:


"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President..."


Now, this was sensible language when the Constitution was adopted. Yet, it created difficulties due to its restrictive language (those people living at the time of the adoption of the Constitution did, after all, die out). Hence, the 14th amendment.


It does not make sense for you to ignore the 'or' in the sentence of the Constitution you keep citing. It clearly says "No person except a natural born Citizen, OR a Citizen of the United States", and the 14th amendment clarifies what a 'citizen' is.
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