Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
In FRANCE, Leftists/Liberals *just* voted in a crony-capitalist NWO/investment banker "from-the-dark-side" billionaire ultra-1%er, and you Liberals are OK with this??
You Liberals are supposedly "against the rich" yet you voted in a crony Wall Street type over in France..... yeah, ok Liberals and logic, not even once
Very interesting how Liberals in this thread are dodging/avoiding like the plague the "elephant in the room" that is this "Macron" ultra-crony 1%er billionaire investment banker that their liberal French counterparts just voted in
But what happened to your "we are against the rich" platform??
In FRANCE, Leftists/Liberals *just* voted in a crony-capitalist NWO/investment banker "from-the-dark-side" billionaire ultra-1%er, and you Liberals are OK with this??
You Liberals are supposedly "against the rich" yet you voted in a crony Wall Street type over in France..... yeah, ok Liberals and logic, not even once
Very interesting how Liberals in this thread are dodging/avoiding like the plague the "elephant in the room" that is this "Macron" ultra-crony 1%er billionaire investment banker that their liberal French counterparts just voted in
But what happened to your "we are against the rich" platform??
ummmm Macron is worth about 30-35 million. While "rich" it is not elite rich, not global rich, yet nonetheless you are correct it is RICH!!! where you get "billionaire" from i have no idea, if you have proof he is worth more i would be interested to see it. i truely doubt he is, but perhaps you know something..
What are you talking about? The Democrat base in uneducated and poor and votes overwhelmingly Democrat. Only 6 - 8% vote Republican and that's like the ethanol-water equilibrium level: you can't do better.
They vote democratic that is why the are the Democrat base. Duh. Democrats welcome the poor and believes in free education for all, including college. They WANT their base to be educated, understand how govt. policy affects their lives for the long term; they want the poor to have health care without which we will have less employment and more expense; they value all lives, rich, poor, all genders and races.
The Republicans' propaganda - via talk radio - is 'not everyone should go to college. Monetize every public institution so the poor will have even less access." This is why the poor, and mostly white male, Republican voters vote in ignorance and do not value education and the opportunities it provides.
In FRANCE, Leftists/Liberals *just* voted in a crony-capitalist NWO/investment banker "from-the-dark-side" billionaire ultra-1%er, and you Liberals are OK with this??
You Liberals are supposedly "against the rich" yet you voted in a crony Wall Street type over in France..... yeah, ok Liberals and logic, not even once
Very interesting how Liberals in this thread are dodging/avoiding like the plague the "elephant in the room" that is this "Macron" ultra-crony 1%er billionaire investment banker that their liberal French counterparts just voted in
But what happened to your "we are against the rich" platform??
1) Macron's net worth is 30 million. Which is closer to billion than it is 1, so if that were the parameters for being a billionaire, he would be a billionaire. But they're not. He's not a billionaire.
2) He's French. You're talking to American liberals, who are not the same as French liberals. The comparison is meaningless.
3) Americans had nothing to do with Macron. Even if they voiced support, this wouldn't do much big picture. So... what's your point (just kidding, I know you don't have one... and if you do, it's probably wrong since literally everything else you said was wrong).
Who exactly is voting against one's interests? I have yet to see a cogent argument for the open borders crowd as to why that stance makes sense, or what is so special about the illegals that makes it OK for them to cut to the front of the line when in fact we have a legal process that lets in more than a million legal immigrants a year. I would posit that it is the liberals who are voting against their interests in favor of diverting endless billions into entitlements for illegals. They are voting on emotion rather than logic. They are supporting the interests of the top few percent for cheap labor rather than the interests of the majority. They are letting themselves be useful tools for the elite.
Our borders are secure, terror attacks in US far and few compared to the rest of the world. Why are the employers of cheap labor not being prosecuted and in jail? Instead immigrants, who work hard and pay taxes, are the targets because that is a cheap tactic like throwing a rabbit into a dog fight and then neglect important issues --jobs, health care, economy. This is why one needs education to understand how one is being so cheaply manipulated.
Our borders are secure, terror attacks in US far and few compared to the rest of the world. Why are the employers of cheap labor not being prosecuted and in jail? Instead immigrants, who work hard and pay taxes, are the targets because that is a cheap tactic like throwing a rabbit into a dog fight and then neglect important issues --jobs, health care, economy. This is why one needs education to understand how one is being so cheaply manipulated.
Illegal immigration hurts all involved, except employers, who can exploit illegal labor. It hurts American workers by limiting jobs and lowering wages and it hurts the illegal immigrants themselves, who take advantage of such lax enforcement for a better life, only to be exploited.
Comprehensive immigration reform needs to be a priority, with such features as the border secured, deportation in place and yes, a $100,000 fine per incident of any person caught employing someone not legally eligible to work in this country.
Your assumption that either party really has that groups best interests at heart is laughable.
Also, with your keen understanding of economics....what does 6 million uneducated poor illegals do to the wage pressure for poor uneducated Americans that compete with them for the same labor and service jobs?
Mathguy you are mathing poorly. 6 million are not competing for the same jobs. Most of the jobs would simply vanish. Farmers would simply change to less labor intensive crops, factories would likely close and outsource virtually everything. lawns, food trucks, construction...
successful economies around the world import lower cost labor. those people move up the ladder adding value and becoming our doctors, layabouts, heros and villains just as we all do. Hell china does it too.
Lack of understanding of social theory on topics such as feminism, racism and economics, progressive taxation leads to the poor and uneducated voting against their own best interests. They look at such theories with contempt because think it is elitist when actually they explain their condition and what social policy will help them.
So, you're defining Trump voters, right?
Because it's already been proven a dozen times over that Trump won heavily among the uneducated and the gullible. I can half forgive the most isolated of them, but really, they should have known better. Trump has lied to everyone about everything, and anyone who's intellectually honest wouldn't trust him with their car, house, retirement account, or daughter. So there is simply no excuse - aside from willful ignorance and lousy education - for anyone to vote for that clown.
[b][i]
But what happened to your "we are against the rich" platform??
Ok, if you support Trump you have forever given up your right to take the moral high ground on any political issue or pretend to care about the working class or poor. That is a simple fact.
Now that we have that out of the way, you're tossing up strawmen. "liberals" - the classic boogiemen of the far-right that don't even exist - don't "hate the rich." Progressives (people who have empathy, common sense, and no crippling hatred of people who are different), also don't hate "the rich."
We DO hate parasites, and there are no shortage of very wealthy people who got that way via draining resources out of society and giving almost nothing back. We all know the types, and don't pretend otherwise. The clowns who make millions destroying jobs, the types who don't give a dime to actual charities, the types who actively seek to harm the working class and poor so they can have even more money that they'll never spend in 10 lifetimes. Those type of slimebags. You know, like Trump.
In reality, progressives are not fond of useless bums on the bottom of the socio-economic scale, either. I have no idea where this nutty notion came from that "liberals love welfare bums and criminals," since it is simply not true. What IS true is that "liberals" are smart enough to know that most people who are on welfare actually work or are elderly, disabled, or children. We're not stupid, hate-filled bigots who just assume all "those people" are on welfare and everyone on welfare "is a bum."
Our borders are secure, terror attacks in US far and few compared to the rest of the world. Why are the employers of cheap labor not being prosecuted and in jail? Instead immigrants, who work hard and pay taxes, are the targets because that is a cheap tactic like throwing a rabbit into a dog fight and then neglect important issues --jobs, health care, economy. This is why one needs education to understand how one is being so cheaply manipulated.
They're not immigrants, they never emmigrated. They're illegal aliens.
Borders are obviously not secure if 11 million illegal aliens managed to get in.
A politician should propose the law to punish employers and I will vote yes.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Liberals and logic, not even once 
