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Old 10-11-2016, 11:13 PM
 
Location: Europe
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That's how it should be, and that's why one of Russian tzars said long time ago that the "best friends of Russia are her army and her fleet."

Im so sorry. Do you really have a position in the 19th century? Wake Up! Look at calendar.
We live in a post-industrial and information age already.

Your rusty tanks and bombers no longer effective. You're scaring the world of strategic missiles but hit the civilian jet MH 7 with innocent children on the board. Do you think this is the greatness of Russia?

Civilized countries have long been pursuing a policy of cultural, technological and financial influence. You do not. You have lost even Ukraine and Belorussia will be next. Continue in the same spirit. I went to get popcorn.

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Those are the consequences of the nineties - that's how it was all designed, that Russia would become completely dependent on Western capital and technologies, refusing from its own R&D departments and serving primarily as the appendix of natural resources supplied to the Western countries. And if Russian upper class doesn't "behave" ( i.e. doesn't do what Washington dictates,) the money and toys (i.e allowed technologies) are going to be withdrawn. But as I've said, this scenario didn't quite work out.
Why at nineteens the US Department bet on China and forgot Russia?

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From what I saw in Syria, that scarecrow looked fairly good.
You mean destroying schools, hospitals, and humanitarian columns? I understand that precision weapons are too expensive for Russia.


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In the light of what I stated above - actually yes. Russia avoided the scenario offered to her by the US twenty-thirty years earlier, and responded to the NATO advances in appropriate manner. I am saying that NOT because I am enamored so much by Putin, but rather because he is FORCED to act accordingly by unfolding circumstances at least on international level.
Just imagine, when Russia joins NATO, it has decreased military charges and become as a friend for all block members. Is it a bad idea?

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Old 10-11-2016, 11:41 PM
 
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Im so sorry. Do you really have a position in the 19th century? Wake Up! Look at calendar.
We live in a post-industrial and information age already.

Your rusty tanks and bombers no longer effective. You're scaring the world of strategic missiles but hit the civilian jet MH 7 with innocent children on the board. Do you think this is the greatness of Russia?
What it has got to do with the "greatness of Russia?" That airplane was in a military zone, it was obviously an accident. Now if Russians were targeting the civil airplane with children - that would have been a totally different story. As for the "19th century" - the 21st century is not much different; there is no "kumbaya" - "love and peace for all"; different countries pursue their own interests and sometimes these moves are covert, sometimes - hostile in the open.

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Civilized countries have long been pursuing a policy of cultural, technological and financial influence.
You do not.
That's right. Someone has to control aforementioned "civilized countries," since even they don't act in unison, but have their own differences.


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You have lost even Ukraine and Belorussia will be next. Continue in the same spirit. I went to get popcorn.
I suppose they serve it in kindergarten)))

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Why at nineteens the US Department bet on China and forgot Russia?
Because China could have been easily turned into profitable sweatshop; Russia - not so much.

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You mean destroying schools, hospitals, and humanitarian columns? I understand that precision weapons are too expensive for Russia.
I mean doing what Russians need to do under the circumstances. What you are talking about has a special name in American vocabulary - the "collateral damage."
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:34 AM
 
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Because China could have been easily turned into profitable sweatshop; Russia - not so much.






What did Russia export between 1995 and 2014? | The Atlas Of Economic Complexity



What did China export between 1995 and 2014? | The Atlas Of Economic Complexity
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:42 AM
 
Location: Russia
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NATO does not need anyone's resolution for the expansion. Moreover NATO does not need Russia's opinion on this.
Unfortunately, yes. And therefore the civil war rages in the Ukraine.
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:51 AM
 
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Unfortunately, yes. And therefore the civil war rages in the Ukraine.
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Old 10-12-2016, 01:18 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Alec, you are a young inexperienced troll.
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Old 10-12-2016, 03:54 AM
 
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Alec, you are a young inexperienced troll.
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Old 10-12-2016, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Good article:

Articles: How (and When) We Entered Cold War II

"...Thus, the Christmas gift of 1991 that promised peace, security and economic growth for Europe, Russia, and America was totally squandered. Western parochial interests, narrow perspectives, mercenary motives, and a political calculus aided and abetted by an indolent, woefully uncritical American press pushed Russia right back behind another iron curtain – for no justifiable reason. And the real, lingering, underlying, and ironic tragedy is that Russia, Europe, and America could have been natural allies – culturally, economically, and strategically – against China and Iran. Instead, truly vacuous Western geopolitics has America and Europe facing the hardening alliance among Russia, China, and Iran. How could we have erred so badly?"(с)
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Finland
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What about Karelia
Hyi helvetti. Let them keep it. Half of it wasn't ours never anyway.

Would like our city of Viipuri back, though, but without the inhabitants.
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Old 10-12-2016, 06:01 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Hyi helvetti. Let them keep it. Half of it wasn't ours never anyway.
Would like our city of Viipuri back, though,but without the inhabitants.
Interesting.


Here's a map of somewhat disputed lands.


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