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They are not disputed. We came to an agreement in 1997 with the Russians that the issue is resolved forever, relinquishing all Finnish claims on the lost territories.
But I would be willing to do a minor adjustment in the border so that Viipuri could come home. It was ours from the 13th century up to 1944 with a short Russian domination between 1721 and 1812. It was the 2nd or 3rd largest and important city in Finland, and by far the most multicultural one. In the early 1900's you could manage your daily life speaking only Finnish, Swedish, German or Russian. There were also large Polish, Estonian, Kazan Tatar and Ashkenazi minorities. On 1 January 1940 the population of the city was 75k, and in 2010 80k, but now it's almost completely Russian and hasn't grown.
Viipuri has also a lot of Finnish late 19th / early 20th century city building intact, which is not the case in most Finnish cities, who demolished many old buildings to create modernist/brutalist 'Brave New World' buildings and wide motorways. Viipuri is a museum. Our museum.
They are not disputed. We came to an agreement in 1997 with the Russians that the issue is resolved forever, relinquishing all Finnish claims on the lost territories.
But I would be willing to do a minor adjustment in the border so that Viipuri could come home. It was ours from the 13th century up to 1944 with a short Russian domination between 1721 and 1812. It was the 2nd or 3rd largest and important city in Finland, and by far the most multicultural one. In the early 1900's you could manage your daily life speaking only Finnish, Swedish, German or Russian. There were also large Polish, Estonian, Kazan Tatar and Ashkenazi minorities. On 1 January 1940 the population of the city was 75k, and in 2010 80k, but now it's almost completely Russian and hasn't grown.
Viipuri has also a lot of Finnish late 19th / early 20th century city building intact, which is not the case in most Finnish cities, who demolished many old buildings to create modernist/brutalist 'Brave New World' buildings and wide motorways. Viipuri is a museum. Our museum.
It sounds very nice, and the multi-cultural history of it is fascinating! Too bad that was lost, or Russified. But the time to have negotiated for it was in 1997, obviously. Perhaps an agreement could be reached with Russia to maintain its architectural heritage. Russia, unlike China, isn't much into tearing down historic buildings and neighborhoods to build new ones. They can't really afford it, anyway.
You sound almost as though you had lived there back in those days, Ariete, and you're nostalgic for the good old days.
They are not disputed. We came to an agreement in 1997 with the Russians that the issue is resolved forever, relinquishing all Finnish claims on the lost territories.
But I would be willing to do a minor adjustment in the border so that Viipuri could come home. It was ours from the 13th century up to 1944 with a short Russian domination between 1721 and 1812. It was the 2nd or 3rd largest and important city in Finland, and by far the most multicultural one. In the early 1900's you could manage your daily life speaking only Finnish, Swedish, German or Russian. There were also large Polish, Estonian, Kazan Tatar and Ashkenazi minorities. On 1 January 1940 the population of the city was 75k, and in 2010 80k, but now it's almost completely Russian and hasn't grown.
Viipuri has also a lot of Finnish late 19th / early 20th century city building intact, which is not the case in most Finnish cities, who demolished many old buildings to create modernist/brutalist 'Brave New World' buildings and wide motorways. Viipuri is a museum. Our museum.
Ariete, when you were talking once about the massacre of Russians in Finland - was it in Viipuri ( as it turned out - Vyborg,) because that's the first thing I've encountered when I googled "Viipuri" up
Ariete, when you were talking once about the massacre of Russians in Finland - was it in Viipuri ( as it turned out - Vyborg,) because that's the first thing I've encountered when I googled "Viipuri" up
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And therefore the civil war rages in the Ukraine.
