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Old 12-16-2018, 07:03 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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It's easy to find information on line if you are willing to look for the facts, instead of ascribing to your own beliefs.
I am a banal man, I see what I see, on the ground.

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"According to research from the University of California at San Francisco, people living outside face different challenges and often die from conditions caused by trauma, infectious diseases and complications from substance abuse, while sheltered older folks die of ailments like cancer and heart disease.

Locally, the average life expectancy for a homeless person, according to a King County Public Health report from 2018, is roughly 50, or about the same average age of death of a person living a century ago."
In any case, this "fact", culled from one of the articles which you cited, apparently from a county-level source, which is the level that I also see at, pretty much states a bit more verbosely exactly what I stated above in an economy of words.

It's funny how life imitates art.


But, banally, we all love statistics. Even more so statisticians.


I read somewhere on the internet that the average life expectancy in Russia is 71.59 years. According to another internet source, Russia scores 110th place in the world, behind the likes of Albania, Jamaica, China, Algeria, Nicaragua, Sri Lanka, Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala, North Korea.


We all love statistics. Even more so statisticians. Banally.


What is the average life expectancy of an alcoholic in Russia?

Does it matter if the alcoholic dies on the street or under a roof?

What do the statistics say?

Banal?

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Old 12-16-2018, 08:43 AM
 
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I dream of moving to a European country or the United States, but it is very hard to do. It is necessary to save money for a long time. Well, it seems to me that Russians are not very fond of in other countries, perhaps this is a stereotype.
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Old 12-16-2018, 08:46 AM
 
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Often it is necessary to help pensioners in pharmacies, not everyone can buy medicines for themselves. It is better to die before, than to suffer in old age, because in 50 years you will not be able to find work.
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Old 12-16-2018, 10:10 AM
 
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Russia offers to defeat ISIS in US-controlled corridor in Syria

hard pass on offer

The UN has verified ISIS now operates only in US-controlled areas of Syria.
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Old 12-16-2018, 12:19 PM
 
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I am a banal man, I see what I see, on the ground.
What ground do you live on, Bale?

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In any case, this "fact", culled from one of the articles which you cited, apparently from a county-level source, which is the level that I also see at, pretty much states a bit more verbosely exactly what I stated above in an economy of words.
If it speaks about the King county specifically, it's kinda shocking for me to see it.
I remember the times, when there were few young vagrants with dogs here and there in Seattle, that's about it. I didn't see them in any other place, at all.


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It's funny how life imitates art.
Not sure where does this fit at all.


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But, banally, we all love statistics. Even more so statisticians.
The statistics show that there are plenty of homeless people of retired age in the US and people who are FORCED to work, otherwise they can't afford to survive.
That's a sad truth.


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I read somewhere on the internet that the average life expectancy in Russia is 71.59 years. According to another internet source, Russia scores 110th place in the world, behind the likes of Albania, Jamaica, China, Algeria, Nicaragua, Sri Lanka, Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala, North Korea.
I've read it too. But I have my doubts about it. While it's true that women live fairly long over there, when it comes to men, I think they die in their 60ies for the most part. When Russian authorities came up with the recent pension reforms, a regular statistical guy ( he was not from Moscow) was going through a list of his former classmates, ( those who were supposed to become pensioners by newly appointed age, and reported how many of them were in fact already dead for different reasons.)
I believe HIS statistics more than anyone's else.
I don't think that Russia scores behind Honduras or Guatemala ( and the rest of the countries that you've mentioned,) but life for the poor ( pensioners including,) becomes increasingly difficult there, because that's whom the sanctions hit the most, not the upper class of course.

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We all love statistics. Even more so statisticians. Banally.


What is the average life expectancy of an alcoholic in Russia?

Does it matter if the alcoholic dies on the street or under a roof?
Of course it matters. If he is under the roof, chances are he can get help and not die at all.


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What do the statistics say?

Banal?
My personal observation on the ground here in the US is that all the ills of today's Russian society were exported there from America. There are homeless on the streets over there, because homelessness is America's trade mark. The quality of education is going down there in schools, because it's bad in America. Healthcare is heading in "pay or die" direction, because it's a case in the US. The abysmal gap between the rich and poor is in place in Russia because it's regarded as normal in America as well. The imported "cheap labor" en masse from Central Asia ( to a big discontent of a the locals) equals the import of cheap labor from Mexico in the US.
In fact from what I observe, Putin's law-makers are looking at America for their next ideas, and what else they can get away with, while bleeding their population dry.
Russian general population however is not aware of this direct connection, because they don't understand for the most part, that in the process of denouncing communism, they've received American model sold to them as the "most successful," - courtesy of Clintons/Harvard University/World Bank et al. ( Minus, of course, working multi-party system and banking system/Wall Street that rules the world, as it's a case in the US.) Which makes all the difference in Russia's case of course.

And that's why while American model of capitalism IS ( well at least WAS) ultimately beneficial to the US, for Russia it spells "death" in the long run, as any form of socialism spells the end of the US as we know it. ( Every nation has its own system that benefits it for a reason ( that is if we are talking about the developed world.)
But at the end of it all I currently see couple of things in development;

#1. This whole scheme of "money rule across the national borders, with capital AND the labor force being moved here and there at will," doesn't benefit Europe all too well ( France is not the first signal, and I am sure is not the last one,)
and
#2 Putin's gov., ( read biz people) while not being able to get the kind of love and appreciation among the "equals" in the West, ( or so they think) that they *deserve,* are switching their priorities to the armament of their country, and it's not something to sneeze at.

Not only that, but then again ( here on the ground) I see that the ills of American society are coming to fruition.
You can make your own conclusions Bale. Whichever you like.

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Old 12-16-2018, 12:19 PM
 
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The Sherpa. Russian off road vehicle.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srgi1OZff2o

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!
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Old 12-16-2018, 12:40 PM
 
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Reads like a travel guide around Crimea by Pepe Escobar

Escobar on Crimea
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Old 12-16-2018, 01:07 PM
 
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The Ukrainian pilot flying the SU-27 has been a pilot since 1996. In his career he only had 482 hours flight time, time actually in the air.

https://www.facebook.com/kpszsu/posts/2361793407432059


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBxCiyUlKuU

Those planes take skills to fly, skills you need to keep sharp. I don't think the Russians allow a pilot to sit in such an advanced plane with less than 300 hours. Ukraine's Sukhois are old and evidently poorly maintained with inexperienced pilots in them. That's a recipe for disaster.

PS. They only have about 30 of these aircraft left in inventory.

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Old 12-17-2018, 11:20 AM
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The Ukrainian pilot flying the SU-27 has been a pilot since 1996. In his career he only had 482 hours flight time, time actually in the air.

Those planes take skills to fly, skills you need to keep sharp. I don't think the Russians allow a pilot to sit in such an advanced plane with less than 300 hours. Ukraine's Sukhois are old and evidently poorly maintained with inexperienced pilots in them. That's a recipe for disaster.

PS. They only have about 30 of these aircraft left in inventory.
They have 16 Sukhois left and 21 Mig 29s. All are old and most of them were out of service for a long time before being reactivated in 2014. He probabaly had 400 of these hours since 2014. The Russian air force has crashes every year too, so I don't know where you are getting the idea that they are supposedly all modern and well trained.

The Sukhois have little chance to be upgraded further and will probably be replaced in the future. They should all be retired and replaced with F-16s but that's at least 5 years out. The Migs are currently being upgraded to NATO standards (similar to Poland's fleet). The upgrades are basically new electronics and will also make them able to attack ground targets which is all they are useful for anyway.
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Old 12-19-2018, 09:18 AM
 
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Russia symbolic gesture in support of Maduro and preemption of likely covert invasion attempt

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/12...icas-backyard/

US training for covert paramilitary invasion and disabling air support for government forces.
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