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Old 03-20-2015, 10:27 AM
 
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To the OP -- Differences USA vs Europe.

Aside from all the above comments,
the biggest difference is the food you eat.
In the USA you will be guaranteed to eat food laden with GMO's
In Europe you have a better chance to eat food that still comes from the land without GMO's

That alone would be a good reason to go there and stay for a while !
GMO alarmism is nonsense. However, it's very easy to find non GMO food in the USA since there's this huge grocery chain called Whole Foods in any city over 200K that specializes in that sort of thing.

There are two reasons euros don't like GMOs. The first is that science education in the 3 largest european countries (France, UK, Germany) is even worse than in the USA. As an Amercan who lived through our horrible public school system, this is hard to even fathom and I was stunned to see that ranking. The bulk of Western Europeans are basically scientifically illiterate. It's sort of like the antivax phenomena you see in Marin County in California, but on a nationwide scale.

The second reason is due mainly to racism. GMO crops were invented and promoted in the 1970s by midwestern american guys trying to figure out a way to feed poor countries, like Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, etc. At the time, western europe was under the spell of "Population Bomb" Paul Erlich type ideas. They didn't want brown people coming into Europe and didn't even want brown people in other countries to have food - they wanted them to starve and die off. Thus, there was a massive scramble to not only pass laws against GMO foods in Europe but try to block their use in developing countries.

The original reason why GMOs were "bad" had nothing to do with their safety, it was just racial fearmongering. It evolved into the current "safety" position due to the scientific dumbing down of France, UK and Germany.
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Old 03-20-2015, 10:29 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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GMO alarmism is nonsense. However, it's very easy to find non GMO food in the USA since there's this huge grocery chain called Whole Foods in any city over 200K that specializes in that sort of thing.

There are two reasons euros don't like GMOs. The first is that their science education in their 3 largest countries (France, UK, Germany) is even worse than in the USA. As an Amercan who lived through our horrible public school system, this is hard to even fathom and I was stunned to see that ranking. The bulk of Western Europeans are basically scientifically illiterate. It's sort of like the antivax phenomena you see in Marin County in California, but on a nationwide scale.

The second reason is due mainly to racism. GMO crops were invented and promoted in the 1970s by midwestern american guys trying to figure out a way to feed poor countries, like Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, etc. At the time, western europe was under the spell of "Population Bomb" Paul Erlich type ideas. They didn't want brown people coming into Europe and didn't even want brown people in other countries to have food - they wanted them to starve and die off. Thus, there was a massive scramble to not only pass laws against GMO foods in Europe but try to block their use in developing countries.

The original reason why GMOs were "bad" had nothing to do with their safety, it was just racial fearmongering. It evolved into the current "safety" position due to the scientific dumbing down of France, UK and Germany.
This is the biggest load of bollox I've read on here for a while.
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Old 03-20-2015, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Finland
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GMO alarmism is nonsense. However, it's very easy to find non GMO food in the USA since there's this huge grocery chain called Whole Foods in any city over 200K that specializes in that sort of thing.

There are two reasons euros don't like GMOs. The first is that science education in the 3 largest european countries (France, UK, Germany) is even worse than in the USA. As an Amercan who lived through our horrible public school system, this is hard to even fathom and I was stunned to see that ranking. The bulk of Western Europeans are basically scientifically illiterate. It's sort of like the antivax phenomena you see in Marin County in California, but on a nationwide scale.

The second reason is due mainly to racism. GMO crops were invented and promoted in the 1970s by midwestern american guys trying to figure out a way to feed poor countries, like Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, etc. At the time, western europe was under the spell of "Population Bomb" Paul Erlich type ideas. They didn't want brown people coming into Europe and didn't even want brown people in other countries to have food - they wanted them to starve and die off. Thus, there was a massive scramble to not only pass laws against GMO foods in Europe but try to block their use in developing countries.

The original reason why GMOs were "bad" had nothing to do with their safety, it was just racial fearmongering. It evolved into the current "safety" position due to the scientific dumbing down of France, UK and Germany.
This post right here is why terrorists hate America.
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Old 03-20-2015, 10:57 AM
 
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This post right here is why terrorists hate America.
I don't follow. Are there leftist European terrorists targeting America? Has the RAF been resurrected with an international anti-GMO agenda? We know why the muslim terrorists hate America, they told us... because we're a decadent country with air bases too close to Mecca and we are too nice to Israel. Plus we've been ****ing around in their affairs for 60 years. If they have incorporated a hatred of GMO soybeans into their ideology, that would be news to everyone.
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Old 03-20-2015, 11:01 AM
 
Location: London, UK
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GMO alarmism is nonsense. However, it's very easy to find non GMO food in the USA since there's this huge grocery chain called Whole Foods in any city over 200K that specializes in that sort of thing.

There are two reasons euros don't like GMOs. The first is that science education in the 3 largest european countries (France, UK, Germany) is even worse than in the USA. As an Amercan who lived through our horrible public school system, this is hard to even fathom and I was stunned to see that ranking. The bulk of Western Europeans are basically scientifically illiterate. It's sort of like the antivax phenomena you see in Marin County in California, but on a nationwide scale.

The second reason is due mainly to racism. GMO crops were invented and promoted in the 1970s by midwestern american guys trying to figure out a way to feed poor countries, like Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, etc. At the time, western europe was under the spell of "Population Bomb" Paul Erlich type ideas. They didn't want brown people coming into Europe and didn't even want brown people in other countries to have food - they wanted them to starve and die off. Thus, there was a massive scramble to not only pass laws against GMO foods in Europe but try to block their use in developing countries.

The original reason why GMOs were "bad" had nothing to do with their safety, it was just racial fearmongering. It evolved into the current "safety" position due to the scientific dumbing down of France, UK and Germany.
I'm all for speaking the truth especially when it comes to racism and other isms but WHAT? That's a bit ridiculous a claim considering there was a lot of ''Brown people'' in Western Europe at that time.
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Old 03-20-2015, 11:27 AM
 
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I'm all for speaking the truth especially when it comes to racism and other isms but WHAT? That's a bit ridiculous a claim considering there was a lot of ''Brown people'' in Western Europe at that time.
Umm...

The 1960s and 1970s were when those countries started getting a lot of non-european immigrants. That is WHY there was so much activity amonst the racist anti-immigrant crowd. Most europeans at the time weren't exactly excited about immigration.
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Old 03-20-2015, 12:07 PM
 
Location: London, UK
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Umm...

The 1960s and 1970s were when those countries started getting a lot of non-european immigrants. That is WHY there was so much activity amonst the racist anti-immigrant crowd. Most europeans at the time weren't exactly excited about immigration.
Any articles to give this any validity?
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Old 03-20-2015, 12:08 PM
 
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GMO alarmism is nonsense. However, it's very easy to find non GMO food in the USA since there's this huge grocery chain called Whole Foods in any city over 200K that specializes in that sort of thing.

There are two reasons euros don't like GMOs. The first is that science education in the 3 largest european countries (France, UK, Germany) is even worse than in the USA. As an Amercan who lived through our horrible public school system, this is hard to even fathom and I was stunned to see that ranking. The bulk of Western Europeans are basically scientifically illiterate. It's sort of like the antivax phenomena you see in Marin County in California, but on a nationwide scale.

The second reason is due mainly to racism. GMO crops were invented and promoted in the 1970s by midwestern american guys trying to figure out a way to feed poor countries, like Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, etc. At the time, western europe was under the spell of "Population Bomb" Paul Erlich type ideas. They didn't want brown people coming into Europe and didn't even want brown people in other countries to have food - they wanted them to starve and die off. Thus, there was a massive scramble to not only pass laws against GMO foods in Europe but try to block their use in developing countries.

The original reason why GMOs were "bad" had nothing to do with their safety, it was just racial fearmongering. It evolved into the current "safety" position due to the scientific dumbing down of France, UK and Germany.
Lol are you serious?

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Umm...

The 1960s and 1970s were when those countries started getting a lot of non-european immigrants. That is WHY there was so much activity amonst the racist anti-immigrant crowd. Most europeans at the time weren't exactly excited about immigration.
So you thought those bad European racists were going to block the food supply in those countries, to only get MORE refugees coming to Europe.. yeah that makes sense...
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Old 03-20-2015, 12:11 PM
 
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These aren't my ideas. I personally don't care about european attitudes towards immigration or GMO food. There are dozens of books and academic articles on this topic. Just look for anything about Norman Borlaug and the opposition to the Green Revolution.
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Old 03-20-2015, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Polderland
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These aren't my ideas. I personally don't care about european attitudes towards immigration or GMO food. There are dozens of books and academic articles on this topic. Just look for anything about Norman Borlaug and the opposition to the Green Revolution.
Okay, but do YOU think that makes sense? Come on... I mean, I'm not a scientist, but I'd think this makes a lot more sense;

The American Academy of Environmental Medicine (AAEM) urges doctors to prescribe non-GMO diets for all patients. They cite animal studies showing organ damage, gastrointestinal and immune system disorders, accelerated aging, and infertility. Human studies show how genetically modified (GM) food can leave material behind inside us, possibly causing long-term problems. Genes inserted into GM soy, for example, can transfer into the DNA of bacteria living inside us, and that the toxic insecticide produced by GM corn was found in the blood of pregnant women and their unborn fetuses.
Numerous health problems increased after GMOs were introduced in 1996. The percentage of Americans with three or more chronic illnesses jumped from 7% to 13% in just 9 years; food allergies skyrocketed, and disorders such as autism, reproductive disorders, digestive problems, and others are on the rise. Although there is not sufficient research to confirm that GMOs are a contributing factor, doctors groups such as the AAEM tell us not to wait before we start protecting ourselves, and especially our children who are most at risk.
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