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Old 04-11-2020, 04:46 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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many things kill young people. e.g traffic accidents, cancer, rare diseases. where's the panic?

not as uncommon as you'd like to portray.

data show most deaths from covid-19 are old. +70
So you are perfectly happy if your daughter or sister dies in a preventable accident? Or is it only if 'other' people's daughters or sisters die due to un-necessary circumstances?
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Old 04-11-2020, 05:30 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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yeah, countries in lock-down are just delaying the problem. first time in ages i think my home country (sweden) is taking a sensible approach to something.
The rest of the world may have to follow suit at some point. What must happen for the lockdowns to end across Europe and the world? The pandemic is unlikely to end in the next 18 months.
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Old 04-11-2020, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Australia
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I see your points, but do you think a nose/mouth/eye-covering, even a homemade one, is better than nothing?

Would you walk into a supermarket, or any public enclosed space containing other people, right now without one?
Most of us are not wearing masks and the official advice is not to wear them unless you are sick, when you must stay isolated anyway.

The reason we are in shutdown is to avoid having to choose who is to get treatment. There are plenty of older people here who have do not resuscitate orders, but as a nation most agree that treatment should be offered to those who seek it.
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Old 04-11-2020, 07:01 AM
 
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Most of us are not wearing masks and the official advice is not to wear them unless you are sick, when you must stay isolated anyway.

The reason we are in shutdown is to avoid having to choose who is to get treatment. There are plenty of older people here who have do not resuscitate orders, but as a nation most agree that treatment should be offered to those who seek it.

my country just made masks mandatory and we have just 20-30 deaths since the beginning...
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Old 04-11-2020, 08:19 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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my country just made masks mandatory and we have just 20-30 deaths since the beginning...
About two days ago, the county executive of Dade County (Miami), Florida made masks mandatory for employees and customers of essential businesses such grocery stores and pharmacies, giving police the power to shut down any business for failure to comply.

So far the county has officially around 6,300 cases and 84 deaths, though the official daily infection rate has been slowing over the past week or so, at least in part because the county executive has stayed on or just a little behind the curve, he waits for no governor and takes responsibility for his own initiatives.
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Old 04-11-2020, 08:19 AM
 
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It does not look pretty in Turkey.
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Old 04-11-2020, 08:21 AM
 
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my country just made masks mandatory and we have just 20-30 deaths since the beginning...
And that is 20-30 too many.
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Old 04-11-2020, 08:28 AM
 
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And that is 20-30 too many.

Comparisons. France has 202 deaths per million and Holland(ok Netherlands) 154/m compared to 4 here - this makes them tens of times worse, it's not easy finding a stat when one country is orders of magnitudes worse off than others (assuming it's really aspects that matter: HDI, life expectancy, oil price etc).
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Old 04-11-2020, 09:15 AM
 
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Comparisons. France has 202 deaths per million and Holland(ok Netherlands) 154/m compared to 4 here - this makes them tens of times worse, it's not easy finding a stat when one country is orders of magnitudes worse off than others (assuming it's really aspects that matter: HDI, life expectancy, oil price etc).
Stats do not replace lives lost.
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Old 04-11-2020, 09:30 AM
 
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Stats do not replace lives lost.

I never said a death of one person isn't a tragedy and your country is a paradise unless 50 people die...49 is "ok", only comparing.
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