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Old 10-13-2017, 01:34 PM
 
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I feel like the white-guilt paradigm has changed and come to the front of the social justice discussion as witnessed, in particular, on college campuses and what they are instituting as the proper way for people to think and feel.

In the past, white-guilt was generated by (individual) white people themselves and it was largely a private affair that those individuals used as a way to reconcile their own relationship to past events and the present racial dynamic.

Today, white-guilt is actually wielded and dispensed, if not enforced, on white people, willing and unwilling, by those who define the social justice rhetoric whether that be certain university department academics, administrators, and social justice activist organizations like BLM, SPLC, and others.

In other words, white-guilt was an incipient philosophy that some white people subscribed to through self reflection and their knowledge of history. Today, the mechanisms through which white-guilt arise have been codified into a extrinsic, objective model of "proper thought" which can be applied to people, willing or not, like any religious or political philosophy.
Yep. Mostly instituted by white people who rarely encounter black people.

 
Old 10-13-2017, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Fairfax County, VA
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Or the blatant evils of racism were once only seen in the openly barbaric behavior of blatant bigots, while now we are able to see that racism also exists and does its harm to people in many more subtle ways.
 
Old 10-13-2017, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Atlanta's Castleberry Hill
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The foundation of systematic racism came from Europe, which portrayed the image of anything black less than human and inferior. Common Law came from England and the foundation our state laws are very bias and empowered people (Anglo-Saxon) who already had the advantage. Remember blacks did not come into the open arms of America through Ellis Island, but by slavery.
 
Old 10-13-2017, 02:08 PM
 
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Or the blatant evils of racism were once only seen in the openly barbaric behavior of blatant bigots, while now we are able to see that racism also exists and does its harm to people in many more subtle ways.
What specifically are you talking about that makes life so much tougher now than in the past? People used to talk about "Greek problems" and "Polish problems" as well when Greeks and Poles were the majority of the underclass and working class in certain areas of the country. Was it racism? They are all white. What you are talking about as "evils of racism" is mostly just class issues. Do you honestly think African Americans would face the same situation in America today if they had the same income levels and crime levels as Asian Americans who have significantly higher income levels than whites and lower crime levels than whites as well?
 
Old 10-13-2017, 02:12 PM
 
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The foundation of systematic racism came from Europe, which portrayed the image of anything black less than human and inferior. Common Law came from England and the foundation our state laws are very bias and empowered people (Anglo-Saxon) who already had the advantage. Remember blacks did not come into the open arms of America through Ellis Island, but by slavery.
Racism towards other tribes have been rampant throughout history.

Most came to America because of extreme poverty. The freedom of some dirt poor peasant from China or Europe 150 years ago was either emigrate or starve to death. People who use today's morals and standards to judge rural peasant societies of the past where death was omnipresent and part of everyday life cant really be taken seriously.
 
Old 10-13-2017, 02:20 PM
 
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I know if only those damn Statisticians weren't so racists! Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story!
What do those statistics have to do with anything being discussed here? Are you implying what exactly? That because a lot of black people get arrested for murder, all the rest have to sit still and take being treated like second class citizens and give up their rights to being treated equally? I am asking honestly why those stats have any bearing on what this discussion is about.
 
Old 10-13-2017, 02:25 PM
 
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It is fascinating that many are determined to replay long-expired roles of Perpetrator and Victim. It is as if these roles never leave our being and each generation is condemned to reprise them.

Very Star Trek...
It may be long expired to you, but those people still live with the effects of forced reservation living. herding Native Americans onto reservations is not different than herding blacks into ghettos was. Generations later they are still caught in a cycle of poverty few escape from. And now we are about to make it worse, by taking the land we GAVE them for their stupid Russian steel pipeline. The pipe line WAS originally to go through a white area, and when those people balked, they moved it to the reservations, and when THOSE people balked, they got hosed with high pressure fire hoses in sub zero degree weather. See how everyone is not treated the same??
 
Old 10-13-2017, 02:29 PM
 
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What do those statistics have to do with anything being discussed here? Are you implying what exactly? That because a lot of black people get arrested for murder, all the rest have to sit still and take being treated like second class citizens and give up their rights to being treated equally? I am asking honestly why those stats have any bearing on what this discussion is about.
Dont you think that police killings have a lot to do with crime rate in neighborhoods?

Here is the database of people killed by the police in the latest year 2016:

1093 killed

574 white
266 black
183 hispanic
24 native American
21 Asian
25 unknown

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...s-us-database#

Asians have almost three times less chance of getting killed by cops than whites relative to their population. Asians also have far lower murder rates than whites and blacks, naturally they are less likely to come in contact with the police as they dont live in crime infected areas.
 
Old 10-13-2017, 02:32 PM
 
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It may be long expired to you, but those people still live with the effects of forced reservation living. herding Native Americans onto reservations is not different than herding blacks into ghettos was. Generations later they are still caught in a cycle of poverty few escape from. And now we are about to make it worse, by taking the land we GAVE them for their stupid Russian steel pipeline. The pipe line WAS originally to go through a white area, and when those people balked, they moved it to the reservations, and when THOSE people balked, they got hosed with high pressure fire hoses in sub zero degree weather. See how everyone is not treated the same??
Almost certainly a class issue, not a race issue. If you have money in America, you have power, no matter what your skin color. Didnt several of the native American elites support the pipeline?
 
Old 10-13-2017, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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What do those statistics have to do with anything being discussed here? Are you implying what exactly? That because a lot of black people get arrested for murder, all the rest have to sit still and take being treated like second class citizens and give up their rights to being treated equally? I am asking honestly why those stats have any bearing on what this discussion is about.
Thank you for that response.

As a school administrator and teacher in the D.C. burbs I worked with thousands of Black kids and many Black professionals and parents, and I am not aware of one who would fit into any of these crime statistics. Although I did know a few Whites who did.
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