Why must there be "White Guilt" to resolve racism? (death, Barack Obama)
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As a school administrator and teacher in the D.C. burbs I worked with thousands of Black kids and many Black professionals and parents, and I am not aware of one who would fit into any of these crime statistics. Although I did know a few Whites who did.
So do you think the reason that out of 1093 people killed by the police last year, not a single one was an Asian female (10 million Asian females in America) while 532 were white males, has anything to do with crime rates?
1093 people killed by cops in 2016.
532 White males
0 Asian females
Are you open to the possibility that crime rates is an important factor?
What is important is understanding the historical, social, psychological and economic factors that have lead us to where we are now.
Exactly.
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Originally Posted by Listener2307
There is no need. Here, let me demonstrate:
I am White. I am not racist. Nor do I feel guilty.
There. I have done my fair share.
You may not do anything “racist” but you benefit from the history of racist systems that offer you some advantages as you pass through the world.
Hopefully you can also help dismantle and rectify them.
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Originally Posted by Ralph_Kirk
I don't know what "white guilt" is all about, except as an excuse to absolve oneself from a need to deal with a current situation.
Once, when I was an active duty military supervisor, I transferred to a new unit as the superintendent of an Intelligence and Systems training facility with twenty instructors working for me.
After about a week, I picked up on the fact that there was a buttload of acrimony between the instructors. I did some investigation--a lot of interviews with a lot of butt-hurt people-- and discovered the reason was this:
My predecessor had the practice of assigning the male instructors to learn and teach the hardcore IT subjects but assigned the female instructors to learn and teach only the "fluff" subjects (annual Law of Armed Conflict and such).
Well, okay. So the previous guy in my job screwed up, and I was holding the green weinie that he'd cooked up.
Did I feel guilty? Certainly not. But I was the one there then, so it was my job to fix the problem, regardless of the fact that I didn't create it.
The question is whether we in 2017 live in a "white supremacist society with systematic racism". Take note of the stats above. Are they indications of such a society to you?
You may not do anything “racist” but you benefit from the history of racist systems that offer you some advantages as you pass through the world.
Hopefully you can also help dismantle and rectify them.
Seems like a perfect way to make sure the working stiffs, the bottom 99% are divided and keep bickering. I've seen people comparing white people to sons and daughters of drug kingpins who spend stolen money and should pay a price for their undeserved wealth. How is this not riling people up against another ethnic group is beyond me. Its reminiscent of the Tutsi genocide in Rwanda where "Tutsi privilege" was used to create division and stoke the flames of hatred.
Calling all people undeserving and privileged is abit like saying to a severely disabled person that she is privileged because she is heterosexual or American, or tall or whatever the advantage she may or may not have. So she should stop whining and spend her efforts fighting for the rights of non-Americans or short people or homosexuals or whatever. If she doesnt do that, then she is spreading bigotry. This rhetoric just comes across as obnoxious. Why not treat people as individuals and realize that all people will have disadvantages and advantages.
It may be long expired to you, but those people still live with the effects of forced reservation living. herding Native Americans onto reservations is not different than herding blacks into ghettos was. Generations later they are still caught in a cycle of poverty few escape from. And now we are about to make it worse, by taking the land we GAVE them for their stupid Russian steel pipeline. The pipe line WAS originally to go through a white area, and when those people balked, they moved it to the reservations, and when THOSE people balked, they got hosed with high pressure fire hoses in sub zero degree weather. See how everyone is not treated the same??
Native Americans are not all dirt poor... Indian Gaming, sovereign status, etc... so it cuts both ways.
One of the nurses I work with is part of a tribe that owns two casinos... she found she no longer needed to work as her share would more than support her lifestyle by virtue of her tribal association.
She continues to work because she is dedicated RN and worked very hard to achieve... she is concerned about her kids... saying free money has plenty of unintended consequences... her words.
So do you think the reason that out of 1093 people killed by the police last year, not a single one was an Asian female (10 million Asian females in America) while 532 were white males, has anything to do with crime rates?
1093 people killed by cops in 2016.
532 White males
0 Asian females
Are you open to the possibility that crime rates is an important factor?
My point, which you have naturally twisted, was to support another poster who pointed out that you can't take statistics like that and plop them down on top of every person of a particular race, or even a particular neighborhood or community. I pointed out that I have worked with thousands of Blacks, both parents, students, co-workers, and not once had a violent (or even unpleasant) confrontation with any of them. But on the other hand, I face a White parent with a gun once, and another White parent that jumped over the front office counter and roughed up a vice principal. In D.C. (I lived in the burbs) -- so-called "Chocolate City" (by Blacks), I was robbed 3 times...by Whites, never by Blacks.
What you're saying is that you prefer to stereotype. I prefer to look at each individual. To be honest, yes, there were neighborhoods I didn't go into in D.C. (such as most of NE). But I still saw those who lived there as individuals, and if I learned someone was from a bad area of D.C., I didn't not associate with them for that reason.
My point, which you have naturally twisted, was to support another poster who pointed out that you can't take statistics like that and plop them down on top of every person of a particular race, or even a particular neighborhood or community. I pointed out that I have worked with thousands of Blacks, both parents, students, co-workers, and not once had a violent (or even unpleasant) confrontation with any of them. But on the other hand, I face a White parent with a gun once, and another White parent that jumped over the front office counter and roughed up a vice principal. In D.C. (I lived in the burbs) -- so-called "Chocolate City" (by Blacks), I was robbed 3 times...by Whites, never by Blacks.
What you're saying is that you prefer to stereotype. I prefer to look at each individual. To be honest, yes, there were neighborhoods I didn't go into in D.C. (such as most of NE). But I still saw those who lived there as individuals, and if I learned someone was from a bad area of D.C., I didn't not associate with them for that reason.
This is part of the problem right here that divides us. You are making a point of stating the races of the "good" people and the "bad" people. It doesn't matter what race you are - you are either a good person or a bad person. And, if you worked in the school system, shame on you for making the distinction. I grew up in PG County (I'm sure you've heard of it). I was the minority majority (meaning I was white in a predominately black area). Growing up like that made me more willing to look past color and focus on the person.
My point, which you have naturally twisted, was to support another poster who pointed out that you can't take statistics like that and plop them down on top of every person of a particular race, or even a particular neighborhood or community. I pointed out that I have worked with thousands of Blacks, both parents, students, co-workers, and not once had a violent (or even unpleasant) confrontation with any of them. But on the other hand, I face a White parent with a gun once, and another White parent that jumped over the front office counter and roughed up a vice principal. In D.C. (I lived in the burbs) -- so-called "Chocolate City" (by Blacks), I was robbed 3 times...by Whites, never by Blacks.
What you're saying is that you prefer to stereotype. I prefer to look at each individual. To be honest, yes, there were neighborhoods I didn't go into in D.C. (such as most of NE). But I still saw those who lived there as individuals, and if I learned someone was from a bad area of D.C., I didn't not associate with them for that reason.
Its not a stereotype to try to explain statistics. Its common sense. Its not common sense to believe crime rates have nothing to do with people getting killed by cops.
You are not seeing people as individuals when you subscribe to the "white privilege" story.
Look at the stat again. 530 white males killed by cops last year. 0 asian females. Yet, police encounters are considered the ultimate example of "white privilege". When people refuse to admit that crime rates matter, then they are forced to talk about "asian female privilege" as the reason for this discrepancy.
I clicked onto YouTube earlier today and there was one of those brief ads that popped up. This ad's topic concerned the lynching in the latter part of the 19th century and the first half of the 20th. The spokesperson in the video, who happened to be a black man, stated that American society must address this past atrocity if race relations are ever going to be acceptable.
My immediate thought was: I don't know why the lynchings of a bygone era should have anything to do with today's world. My second thought was: is this some kind of veiled effort to create white guilt? And my third thought was: I am sorry but I feel no guilt for lynchings of blacks or for that matter, the unfortunate chapter of slavery in America. They are horrible pages in America's history but the reality is, I should feel no more guilty or responsible for those tragedies than should Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, or Barack Obama. Likewise, I do not believe that the men of today should feel any guilt for America's 140 years of denying women the right to vote.
Yes, its like shaming disabled people for being male or shaming a black person for being homophobic if the black person doesnt do enough to "acknowledge his/her heterosexual privilege". Its just obnoxious.
Race relations can only heal if the class issues are addressed. But the African American community overwhelmingly voted for Hillary Clinton, not Bernie Sanders, and in general support status quo Democrats who transfer money and power into the hands of the top 1%. As long as people refuse to address the issue of inequality and the power of the top 1% economic elite in America, then nothing will really change.
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