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Old 02-10-2010, 03:09 PM
 
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You'd look a lot smarter if you'd read the study and pay attention to the parameters before bringing up the causation/correllation argument here. The article specifically says that even adjusting for abortion rates and income level, the states with the highest teen birth rates are the most religious ones. This means -- oooh guess what?? Less religious states didn't show a higher abortion rate! OMG imagine that. Maybe there's something to that whole "teach your kids about birth control" thing. Amazing, innit?
There isn't just something to that whole teach your kids about birth control thing. It emphatically beats the abstinence only program and throws it in the trash where it belongs. Further, it shows that it was a complete and total waste of money.
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Old 02-10-2010, 04:21 PM
 
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I'm also curious to know the number of teen pregnancies versus the number of teen births in various states. More religious states are apt to find teens not terminating their pregnancies by abortions, where more non-religious states might find a much higher rate of abortion-ended teen pregnancies.
The information in which you're interested begins on page 14.

U.S. Teenage Pregnancies, Births and Abortions: National and State Trends and Trends by Race and Ethnicity
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Old 02-10-2010, 04:23 PM
 
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Old 02-10-2010, 04:52 PM
 
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I'm not sure if religion could really explain much this, simply for the reason that rates of belief in the US have been consistently high (90%+) for as long as people have been polled, while teen pregnancies have risen and dipped over time.

"Religion" as a factor has been much more of a background constant than a variable. I would imagine that the demographics of girls who get pregnant in their teenaged years are similar in that regard (e.g., a large supermajority of them are at least nominal Christians, and always have been).

It seems to have more to do with other social factors and conditions.
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Old 02-10-2010, 04:55 PM
 
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Great can you bring those polls?



I didn't think so. Is denial a good place to live?

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Old 02-11-2010, 11:03 AM
 
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I'm not sure if religion could really explain much this, simply for the reason that rates of belief in the US have been consistently high (90%+) for as long as people have been polled, while teen pregnancies have risen and dipped over time.

"Religion" as a factor has been much more of a background constant than a variable. I would imagine that the demographics of girls who get pregnant in their teenaged years are similar in that regard (e.g., a large supermajority of them are at least nominal Christians, and always have been).

It seems to have more to do with other social factors and conditions.
I've always thought a part of that could be a 'rebellion' factor. I know of two girls personally who got pregnant while attending a private Christian school. Their parents were quite strict and they felt smothered, so they snuck around more often then their 'public school' counterparts.
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Old 02-11-2010, 11:19 AM
 
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Everyone already knew that, even before you felt compelled to draw attention to your egotistic self with bold-face font. The question is about whether religion influences family values.
The only thing religion does is perpetuate a notion of "I'm better than you because I go to church" It is not the place of any religion to judge others, yet they are worse than anyone about it. You want to convene a group of hypocrites and liars? Open a church. Morals are not based in religion, they are based in common sense and human decency, churches exploit these for money.
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Old 02-11-2010, 11:22 AM
 
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The only thing religion does is perpetuate a notion of "I'm better than you because I go to church" It is not the place of any religion to judge others, yet they are worse than anyone about it. You want to convene a group of hypocrites and liars? Open a church. Morals are not based in religion, they are based in common sense and human decency, churches exploit these for money.
Even as a practicing Christian, I see a bit of truth in your description. Churches can be ugly places, but we keep striving to do better.
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Old 02-11-2010, 12:18 PM
 
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...We now live in a society that doesn't have the morals or ethics of a band of monkeys...
And if Religion has it’s way, we will have intellectual and educational standards to match.
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Old 02-11-2010, 12:48 PM
 
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I think it bears repeating at this point that while crazy Evangelicals fall under the umbrella of Christianity, not all Christians are crazy Evangelicals.
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