Should a person who works really hard doing a physical "dirty job" be paid well? (salaries, lawyers)
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The lawyer can do the janitor's job.
The janitor cannot do the lawyer's job.
Therefore, the lawyer will get paid more. Period.
Bull, every time I hire a lawyer it seems I wind up doing most of the work I'm paying them for. Most layers I've met don't know a thing about what they're doing.
I'm a contractor and I was repairing a layers house when he made the comment that I make more money them him. I kinda laughed at him and told him that he should have been a carpenter if he wanted to make real money.
Now I'm just a kid but this is my opinion. I feel that they should be paid better. They are the backbone of society. The ones that hold everything up. Compare a lawyer working at a firm to a janitor in that firm. Who makes the building clean and takes out the trash? Who makes the office spotless while shining the windows and creating a perfect impression for the lawyer's clients? Think about our societys trash? So much trash. Who takes them all away? Who works the sewers? Etc. They are very much an important and extremely vital part of our society as your Master's Degree in Accounting friend. They should be paid just as much.
Well, when the janitor has his legs crushed by a bus and they won't pay him compensation he can surely pick up a few books, learn about the legal code and represent himself competantly....about 10 years later if he is pretty smart.
Bull, every time I hire a lawyer it seems I wind up doing most of the work I'm paying them for. Most layers I've met don't know a thing about what they're doing.
I'm a contractor and I was repairing a layers house when he made the comment that I make more money them him. I kinda laughed at him and told him that he should have been a carpenter if he wanted to make real money.
busta
Yeah, using a lawyer was probably a bad example wasn't it?
My husband works a physical job and is paid well--so there is some of that out there. I do think that people who bust their butt and are emotionally and physically drained at the end of the day should make more than menial jobs though.
Some of those jobs suck and pay horribly. (My buddy worked at a meat packing plant for 5 years. ) Some people take jobs below their skill level or localized unemployment is terrible so they can pay crap and still get employees.
For example, I have a gal come once a month to clean my house and she get's $20 an hour cash. She works hard, does a good job and is trustworthy.
A friend of mine who works really really hard doing really physically draining highway maintenance work is paid poorly. He comes home from work emotionally and physically drained. But at the end he is just making enough money for basic survival. Another friend of ours makes close to $100K as a Cost Accountant. The job is not too hard for him but the bosses are pleased with his work. He got the job because he studied hard in school and got a Masters Degree in Accounting and has become an expert in Cost Accounting.
But should he make three times as much sitting in an office in 72 comfort in his own office as our other friend who makes 30K for busting his butt on the highway road project in extreme weather?
As has always been the case, education makes a difference. A Doctor also makes more money than your friend working for the Hwy Department. But, both the accountant and the doctor struggled in their younger years and got an education. They are entitled to what they make, you laborer friend is also entitled to what he makes. Remember we operate under a sytem here that is far different than communist or socialist systems. Do you and the Hwy Department worker work for the same company/state? Why do you have a concern? Don't you agree that education makes a difference? One other thought, if the Hwy Maintenance worker is unhappy with his job, he could always quit and be a homeless person, or take a night school somewhere to better his chances of finding a better job. The decision's he made earlier in his life with be the ones he has to live with.
Yes, but of those 100 guys how many can run heavy equipment, are drug free and show up to work?
Who said the maintenace worker is running heavy equipment and showing up drug free? If he is running heavy equipment, he's like the accountant, sitting on his a$$ everyday, only not in an air conditioned room. Your arguments are not holding up, try again.
A friend of mine who works really really hard doing really physically draining highway maintenance work is paid poorly. He comes home from work emotionally and physically drained. But at the end he is just making enough money for basic survival. Another friend of ours makes close to $100K as a Cost Accountant. The job is not too hard for him but the bosses are pleased with his work. He got the job because he studied hard in school and got a Masters Degree in Accounting and has become an expert in Cost Accounting.
But should he make three times as much sitting in an office in 72 comfort in his own office as our other friend who makes 30K for busting his butt on the highway road project in extreme weather?
Yes, the brawn beats brain argument is not a good argument.
Our county road crews took a beating this year and lost money because of politicians and overall ignorance in this area. Not because what they do is not appreciated. In general they tend to make pretty good money, but it is seasonal. When somebody runs for office, they have a tendency to talk about cuts. They act like they are nailing the really big people but in reality they nail the people that nobody is thinking about. In doing so, do you think these people whistle while they work?
We just had two people that were killed working on the roads here by drivers. It is a dangerous job, it is hot and it is sweaty. It is also one of those jobs that no matter what you are doing, it requires experience. People need to be paid for their experience. The more of it they have the less likely there is to be a lawsuit or death or someone getting hurt.
When you go to school and graduate and work in an office, it does not mean that it isn't less work. The work may seem easy for your friend but that does not mean that it is easy all over the place and for everyone. Your friend may have lucked out and is working for people that do not create a lot of obstacles, or hoops to jump through, to get what needs to be done, done. How liable is he? That, too, plays a factor.
Sounds like a job that even you could do, LABART. Then again, after reading some of your other posts, I take that back...
Yes, you and mathguy can insult, but I have yet to get a definition.
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) Some people take jobs below their skill level or localized unemployment is terrible so they can pay crap and still get employees.
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