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Ask the troops on Omaha Beach. Or at the Battle of the Bulge.
and how did it affect the outcome of the war?all of the most capable and experienced army and German units were on the eastern front and fought against the Soviet Union. the only worthy adversary was the Soviet Union, and no one else. you know that they could not get out of Arden? to save them, all of the most capable and experienced army and German units were on the eastern front and fought against the Soviet Union. the only worthy adversary was the Soviet Union, and no one else. we had to start the offensive before without training. as a result we lost 300,000 soldiers. so they have been able to budge alive.The war was already win us. the allies opened a second front only when the outcome of the war was already known and we have already liberated themselves and much of Europe.But when we were in need of allies, they are just looking for reasons not to fight 4 years. in doing so, behind the USSR agreed with Germany.After we liberated Berlin, through 3 months we both promised Roosevelt ob′âvim war on Japan. as a result, in just two weeks we have released all the manžÃ»riû, Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands. It is for this reason that Japan capitulation.not nuclear bombs from the u.s.Roosevelt knew that if the Soviet Union did not enter the war with Japan. It will lose more than 1 million of its soldiers. and the war will last until year 1948 inclusive. the USSR again kept their word, but the allies again betrayed. the United States refused to recognize the Kuril Islands and the northern part of Sakhalin Russians. and it was a condition for joining the USSR in war with Japan.And the chief opponent of Germany was United States? All American company in Europe was only 700.000 soldiers. How many people from the Soviet Union? Yes u.s. aid cannot be otcenit′ with regard to land, but Lisa and it was to the USSR only 3% of our industry. in return, the United States won the gold and other resources..
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The United States was Germany's strongest opponent in WW2.
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you're so kidding(joked)? with regard to military action, what they did to win the war?
Yah, the late USSR suffered the most casualties - military & civilian - in WWII, no doubt. & we can go back & forth on whether US aid & material support & military force was necessary to the defeat of the Axis powers. The Soviets might have prevailed all by themselves - but it would have left Europe & most of the USSR in ashes. & that still wouldn't have defeated Japan.
The other question there - Hitler apparently always wanted to expand eastward, into Poland & Ukraine & the USSR. If Stalin hadn't been leading such a pariah state, he would have had better allies to choose from. Nazi Germany & the USSR invaded & partitioned Poland between them, as if a raging tumor can be placated by sacrificing a limb. (& after the USSR had struggled to defeat Finland in an embarrassing war.)
So there's a certain rough justice in the USSR staggering along for another 46 years, until the contradictions of their economy & politics & the vast population & physical damage from WWII finally destroyed the old apparat's hold on power. & the Soviets were lucky @ that - I think it was always W. Churchill's intent to let the Axis & USSR spill all the blood possible, & so make the World safe for the British Empire.
The United States was Germany's strongest opponent in WW2.
Yah, the late USSR suffered the most casualties - military & civilian - in WWII, no doubt. & we can go back & forth on whether US aid & material support & military force was necessary to the defeat of the Axis powers. The Soviets might have prevailed all by themselves - but it would have left Europe & most of the USSR in ashes. & that still wouldn't have defeated Japan.
Without US help, the Soviets would lose millions more and in the end, the Europe would be Red. The USSR would hardly be more "in ashes" than it already was. Hitler pushed as far as he could into it. Once the Germans stopped without toppling the USSR, the war was over.
75% of German military losses were in the East.. that alone tells you where their real war was. The end result of Allied landings was the Western Europe free from communism.
As to Japan... the Soviets would surely take China and Korea - Japan had a powerful navy but their land army was not very strong. So the Japanese would be beaten back to their islands. But perhaps it would survive unreconstructed.
The bottom line is, even Hitler himself realized in 1941 that either Germany knocked out the USSR with a single powerful blow, or the war was lost... just read Speer's memoirs.
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The other question there - Hitler apparently always wanted to expand eastward, into Poland & Ukraine & the USSR. If Stalin hadn't been leading such a pariah state, he would have had better allies to choose from. Nazi Germany & the USSR invaded & partitioned Poland between them, as if a raging tumor can be placated by sacrificing a limb. (& after the USSR had struggled to defeat Finland in an embarrassing war.)
So there's a certain rough justice in the USSR staggering along for another 46 years, until the contradictions of their economy & politics & the vast population & physical damage from WWII finally destroyed the old apparat's hold on power. & the Soviets were lucky @ that - I think it was always W. Churchill's intent to let the Axis & USSR spill all the blood possible, & so make the World safe for the British Empire.
Yes, but in the end Britain ended up fighting the war with Germany before USSR got engaged, so the British would provide support to the Soviets one way or another. Without US involvement, they would have to chose between Brown Europe or Red Europe across the Channel, and at that time the Red color would seem the lesser of two evils.
He couldn't launched an attack on the US because it would have taken over 1000 ships to get the men and material over here for the attack. But to be realistic he had no reason to attack the US and he didn't want war with the US. Of course he declared war on the US. but that was after we bombed the hell out of them so we were at war anyway but not officially.
Yes, but in the end Britain ended up fighting the war with Germany before USSR got engaged, so the British would provide support to the Soviets one way or another. Without US involvement, they would have to chose between Brown Europe or Red Europe across the Channel, and at that time the Red color would seem the lesser of two evils.
No, as I recall, Nazi Germany & the USSR entered into a non-aggression pact, & invaded & partitioned Poland between them - the formal start of WWII, as the various alliances activated & mobilized. I don't know offhand how much support UK provided to the USSR. Not much in food, as the German navy's attempt to starve out the UK was close to being effective enough.
The zigzags of USSR foreign policy made supplying them from the US a hard sell - but we (the US) needed the UK as a fort/port/jumping off point for invading mainland Europe. In the end, the US decided to wage one war @ a time - it was bad enough fighting Germany/Italy in Europe, & Japan in the Far East. & given the likely danger from Germany & Japan, the European war took priority. Correctly, I think - but a very hard decision for our military & civilians & allies in the PTO.
The United States was Germany's strongest opponent in WW2.
Yah, the late USSR suffered the most casualties - military & civilian - in WWII, no doubt. & we can go back & forth on whether US aid & material support & military force was necessary to the defeat of the Axis powers. The Soviets might have prevailed all by themselves - but it would have left Europe & most of the USSR in ashes. & that still wouldn't have defeated Japan.
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who told you this? It was only a matter of time. the outcome of the war was already known. Soviet assistance was needed in
gates of Moscow. but when we liberated themselves and already a great part of Europe. the USSR in Allied military assistance was not necessary.
1941-1943, when the Germans stood at thebut alas, the allies refused to open a second front had wanted. and you know that Roosevelt and Čerčel′ on Stalin's appeals to open a second front talked? We pray for you. emli we needed at that time was a priest, then we would have gone into the Church.Japan surrendered after learning that the Soviet Union entered the war. they wanted to make peace with the Soviet Union. but learn from them not byloi exit. the United States has destroyed almost all the cities of Japan, but âplniâ refused to give up. the Soviet Union took the same 2 week to release Manžuriû and far East. the operation itself lasted only 21 day.Yes of course any help was needed and its allies could not be assessed. but military assineeded. on the contrary it needed us to fight with the Japanese, so, in Yalta, Roosevelt asked Stalin to join the war after liberation of Berlin.stance we at that time are no longer.for one only Poland when we liberated. We have lost more than 500,000 soldiers and released in just 4 days. Krakow remained so today, because our army withdrew from arteleriâ preparation to save the town. but in return we carried big losses. What is happening today in Poland? they destroy our monuments. those who gave their lives
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Without US help, the Soviets would lose millions more and in the end, the Europe would be Red. The USSR would hardly be more "in ashes" than it already was. Hitler pushed as far as he could into it. Once the Germans stopped without toppling the USSR, the war was over. **********
The bottom line is, even Hitler himself realized in 1941 that either Germany knocked out the USSR with a single powerful blow, or the war was lost... just read Speer's memoirs.
Tell the soldiers that fought at Normandy and in Sicily that the war was already over. Germany may have used and lost more troops in the East but that was hardly his only focus.
No, as I recall, Nazi Germany & the USSR entered into a non-aggression pact, & invaded & partitioned Poland between them - the formal start of WWII, as the various alliances activated & mobilized. I don't know offhand how much support UK provided to the USSR. Not much in food, as the German navy's attempt to starve out the UK was close to being effective enough.
Yes that's just you forget that Poland signed the Pact with Germany still in the year 1937. the USSR had no choice. While the Covenant of Germany and the USSR. the USSR called on France and England enter the war on the side of the Soviet Union after Czechoslovakia razlela. in response, one was a failure so ..Yes. you jumped and get stuck. When you do this so you can get we have undertaken more than 170 most efficient devizij (Army) of the Wehrmacht. When the allies landed they not met strong resistance, for the reason that the Germans had orders not to carry out nonviolent resistance and the surrender precisely alliesand even then, the allies crept like a turtle. and we have already captured Berlin and all сountry behind.If the allies did not open a second front at the end of the war, they would not have been able to split prizes winning. This is the only reason. While prizes allies began to divide even before the opening of the second front behind the Soviet Union, when we were at war with Germany
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Yah, I suppose the lesson for the next Stalin is: Don't purge your most capable military officers just because you have political disagreements - or even just suspicions of disagreements - with them. Don't move your senior officers around so that they don't form any attachments to their units - which means that coordination in an emergency will suffer. I don't recall if Stalin planned to invade Germany before Germany invaded.
Did Japan surrender because the USSR waged war upon them? I don't think so - although there were elements of the IJN & IJA & the Japanese Foreign Ministry that pinned their hopes on having the USSR act as a friendly mediator between the West & Japan. Those hopes were dashed, of course. The USSR had its hands full with the war in Europe, but you hate to close all your options, especially without @ least trying out a skirmish or two.
The Imperial Japanese government convinced itself that military numbers & natural resources & population base & logistics didn't mean as much as martial spirit. But then, they couldn't even turn a profit on the populations, farmland, oil, tin, rubber, etc. they conquered during their brief Greater Japanese Co-Prosperity Sphere - a grandiose name for a protection racket. Except that they actually tried to execute.
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