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Yes you are right. before the war, Stalin destroyed nearly all officers. Therefore, the remaining had to learn during the war from their mistakes. Stalin began to divide Europe just after Germany started the war. but in the end it is the Soviet Union liberated Europe a second time.Yes exactly. Japan hoped that it will be able to join sssrt and surrender under the best conditions. Japan was ready to surrender for 1 day before the first bombing of the atomic bomb. While the u.s. air force dropped convent.the atomic bomb had only to justify the character for the Japanese Emperor and their assignment was to the USSR. as a show of force. immediately after the war, England and the United States have created a plan to attack the Soviet Union. in toivremâ when our cities were almost completely destroyed by the Germans.
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Yes you are right. before the war, Stalin destroyed nearly all officers. Therefore, the remaining had to learn during the war from their mistakes. Stalin began to divide Europe just after Germany started the war. but in the end it is the Soviet Union liberated Europe a second time.
A second time? Full marks to the Soviets for fighting the Germans & their allies to a standstill, & rolling up the remnants in WWII. But I don't know that that qualifies as a liberation. I don't think the Baltic nations, Poland, Czechoslovakia, & so on would count that as freedom.
& when was the USSR supposed to have liberated Europe the first time?
A second time? Full marks to the Soviets for fighting the Germans & their allies to a standstill, & rolling up the remnants in WWII. But I don't know that that qualifies as a liberation. I don't think the Baltic nations, Poland, Czechoslovakia, & so on would count that as freedom.
& when was the USSR supposed to have liberated Europe the first time?
When they absorbed modern Poland previously. Poland regained its independence as part of the Versailles Treaty temporarily ending WW I.
A second time? Full marks to the Soviets for fighting the Germans & their allies to a standstill, & rolling up the remnants in WWII. But I don't know that that qualifies as a liberation. I don't think the Baltic nations, Poland, Czechoslovakia, & so on would count that as freedom.
& when was the USSR supposed to have liberated Europe the first time?
first time Russian Empire liberated Europe from Napoleon. did Prince Shuvalov. and we have gone from Europe, without taking even prizes. Conversely even paid for the damage. Berlin we took two times..part of Eastern Europe that was annexed to the Soviet Union, people were free and lived better in the USSR than Russia itself. or do you think the Nazis had a good option?
first time Russian Empire liberated Europe from Napoleon. did Prince Shuvalov. and we have gone from Europe, without taking even prizes. Conversely even paid for the damage. Berlin we took two times..part of Eastern Europe that was annexed to the Soviet Union, people were free and lived better in the USSR than Russia itself. or do you think the Nazis had a good option?
Nah, I don't know enough about the correlation of forces during the Napoleonic Wars to have a good opinion on the forces involved.
As to living under the Nazis, no, that wasn't an option for most people, once the Nazis bought into their official mythology of Aryanism.
you know that the first world and the second world was financed by American and British Bankers while they were making money on both sides and this was known to the Government of the United States? Although sorry is another theme. excuse me! Sorry!
youknow that the firstworld and the second world was financed by American and British Bankerswhile they were making money on both sides and this was known to the Governmentof the United States? Although sorry is another theme. excuse me!Sorry!
Yah. & without the Great War, how would the Russian Empire have bankrupted itself & set the conditions for the rise of the Bolsheviks in Russia? Yah, history is contingent - one disaster gives rise to one set of conditions, a different disaster gives rise to a different set.
I don't know enough about WWI - WWII, Lend-Lease aid was the US trading with UK & the British Empire, & with the USSR, once Nazi Germany invaded there. Lend-Lease was conceived as a loan, although the goods traded after it expired were sold to the holders @ about 10% on the dollar. The USSR had paid in gold, & in-kind in metals, early on. & the USSR settled the debt in 1970s. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease- there's a nice segment on the USSR:
"While repayment of the interest-free loans was required after the end of the war under the act, in practice the U.S. did not expect to be repaid by the USSR after the war. The U.S. received $2M in reverse Lend-Lease from the USSR. This was mostly in the form of landing, servicing, and refueling of transport aircraft; some industrial machinery and rare minerals were sent to the U.S. The U.S. asked for $1.3B at the cessation of hostilities to settle the debt, but was only offered $170M by the USSR. The dispute remained unresolved until 1972, when the U.S. accepted an offer from the USSR to repay $722M linked to grain shipments from the U.S., with the remainder being written off. During the war the USSR provided an unknown number of shipments of rare minerals to the US Treasury as a form of cashless repayment of Lend-Lease. This was agreed before the signing of the first protocol on 1 October 1941 and extension of credit. Some of these shipments were intercepted by the Germans. In May 1942, HMS Edinburgh was sunk while carrying 4.5 tonnes of Soviet gold intended for the U.S. Treasury. This gold was salvaged in1981 and 1986.[52][page needed] In June 1942, SS Port Nicholson was sunk en route from Halifax, Canada to New York, allegedly with Soviet platinum, gold, and industrial diamonds aboard.[53][dubious– discuss] However, none of this cargo has been salvaged, and no documentation of it has been produced."
I see our resident Russian nationalist (or not quite...I think erasure said those guys are even scarier/crazier) has returned...
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Yes you are right. before the war, Stalin destroyed nearly all officers. Therefore, the remaining had to learn during the war from their mistakes.
...and quite the learning curve it was.
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Stalin began to divide Europe just after Germany started the war.but in the end it is the Soviet Union liberated Europe a second time.
No question Stalin intended to carve his stamp into Europe after WW2. No question that the Soviet Union bore the largest burden in WW2.
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Yes exactly. Japan hoped that it will be able to join sssrt and surrender under the best conditions. Japan was ready to surrender for 1 day before the first bombing of the atomic bomb. While the u.s. air force dropped convent.the atomic bomb had only to justify the character for the Japanese Emperor
Very complex topic and covered extensively in my thread on the atomic bombings: "NJGOAT's Guide to the Atomic Bombings". To make a long story short...
1. Some elements of the Japanese government hoped the Soviet Union would serve as moderators in a peace negotiation, but this group did not have the full backing of the government dominated by the hardliners.
2. The atomic bombings convinced the emperor and a number of leaders in the Japanese government that the war needed to be ended.
3. The Soviet declaration of war and invasion of Manchuria convinced the remaining hardliners, who wanted to hold out for a negotiated settlement that would allow Japan to retain areas like Manchuria, that there was nothing to gain by doing so.
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and their assignment was to the USSR. as a show of force.
The atomic bomb was not dropped to intimidate the Soviets. In the reem of primary source documents and interviews this never even enters the conversation among the civilian and military leaders of the US. The Soviets were fully aware of the bomb and its capabilities before it was dropped.
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immediately after the war, England and the United States have created a plan to attack the Soviet Union. in toivremâ when our cities were almost completely destroyed by the Germans.
The plan was a contingency in case Stalin failed to abide by the established agreements. It was called "Operation Unthinkable" for a reason. Soviet planners likewise had drawn up plans to across Western Europe if so asked.
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first time Russian Empire liberated Europe from Napoleon. did Prince Shuvalov. and we have gone from Europe, without taking even prizes. Conversely even paid for the damage. Berlin we took two times..part of Eastern Europe that was annexed to the Soviet Union, people were free and lived better in the USSR than Russia itself. or do you think the Nazis had a good option?
Better under the Soviets than under the Nazi's, but just because one was better than the other does not mean it was a picnic in the park. Better to be free and independent.
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Originally Posted by GreyKarast
you know that the first world and the second world was financed by American and British Bankers while they were making money on both sides and this was known to the Government of the United States? Although sorry is another theme. excuse me! Sorry!
Yah. & without the Great War, how would the Russian Empire have bankrupted itself & set the conditions for the rise of the Bolsheviks in Russia? Yah, history is contingent - one disaster gives rise to one set of conditions, a different disaster gives rise to a different set.]
This is not the case. England still needs a lot of gold that Russia has paid for the weapons in the first world, but England have not put it. The emergence of the revolution carries an artificial one from outside of our country.Yes you are right, lend-lease helped us emerge from the crisis. began to interact with an excess of manufactured goods. Although the u.s. Government began to send more goods and allies appeared defecit products in the United States. a large part of the land was delivered to England. Lisa for the USSR, the proportion was only 3% of our production..But, in any case, even such assistance was needed and we are grateful for that simple Americans and British convoys. especially for food and trucks, which are very necessary..This is true but many supply under lend lease were not timely and ripped off. so many supplies were destroyed by the Germans. After the war, the Americans demanded to return the trucks and other equipment. It was made, then sent to Japan and put on metal.
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I see our resident Russian nationalist (or not quite...I think erasure said those guys are even scarier/crazier) has returned...
...and quite the learning curve it was.
No question Stalin intended to carve his stamp into Europe after WW2. No question that the Soviet Union bore the largest burden in WW2.
Very complex topic and covered extensively in my thread on the atomic bombings: "NJGOAT's Guide to the Atomic Bombings". To make a long story short...
1. Some elements of the Japanese government hoped the Soviet Union would serve as moderators in a peace negotiation, but this group did not have the full backing of the government dominated by the hardliners.
2. The atomic bombings convinced the emperor and a number of leaders in the Japanese government that the war needed to be ended.
3. The Soviet declaration of war and invasion of Manchuria convinced the remaining hardliners, who wanted to hold out for a negotiated settlement that would allow Japan to retain areas like Manchuria, that there was nothing to gain by doing so.
The atomic bomb was not dropped to intimidate the Soviets. In the reem of primary source documents and interviews this never even enters the conversation among the civilian and military leaders of the US. The Soviets were fully aware of the bomb and its capabilities before it was dropped.
The plan was a contingency in case Stalin failed to abide by the established agreements. It was called "Operation Unthinkable" for a reason. Soviet planners likewise had drawn up plans to across Western Europe if so asked.
Better under the Soviets than under the Nazi's, but just because one was better than the other does not mean it was a picnic in the park. Better to be free and independent.
Now here you go with your conspiracies again...
When you talk about nationalism it sounds silly, because that even today Russia consists of 197 Nations. and the war has been won by all nationalities of the Soviet Union..much of what you write is true, but the fact is that prior to the bombing of Japan's leaders have already called for surrender. that's just to manžurii post about capitulation is not reached. and the atomic bomb were just an excuse for the emperor. and promotion of power for the United States. Us without rezul′tatno bombed Japan for a long time. and damage was much higher than the atomic bombs..Yes this is true. in view of the fact that the very idea of an atomic bomb belonged to the USSR and was patented. but it was an allusion to the Soviet Union. because the Soviet Union knew that England and the United States is planning to attack the Soviet Union, immediately after the war. but not all of it is supported in the United States, as the Soviet Union was strong military country. as a result, in 1948, was developed a plan to destroy the USSR..This plan was osuŝestvel in 1991 year at 90%, since the remaining ten were not already in the USSR. and Russia. as a result, in 1998, was developed for the second plan to destroy Russia, but was frustrated after Putin came. It says that Ukrainians, Russians and Belarusians must be destroyed because it is one nation, that's the most unruly on the planet. can give the name of the plans..for information, then you will discover a lot of new, about u.s. policy and true evil empire. which considers himself a policeman of the world and puts its domestic laws above international.
you have doubts? American Bankers and industrialists provided Germany. even after the entry of the USA into the war. to start learning about this in the State Department was a scandal but later had already helped the Government of Germany. Roosevelt said so if they start winning( Germany), we will be helping the Russians . If Germany, the Russians. and let them kill themselves as very more.
write in private. or create a new topic. otherwise we pollute the theme author.
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