Imbeciles cost us 500 Microsoft Jobs!!!! (Houston, Dallas: construction, maintenance, law)

[Vicman]

Originally Posted by Redlionjr

That’s jobs period in America. America is full of them. I don’t know too many people who enjoy their job even if they’re making “good pay”.

This is why unions existed and why strike breakers were reviled :-\

[Redlionjr]

Originally Posted by Vicman

This is why unions existed and why strike breakers were reviled :-\

Yeah but even unions are corrupted and have practice discrimination as well.

[Vicman]

Originally Posted by Redlionjr

Yeah but even unions are corrupted and have practice discrimination as well.

The question is if there's a better alternative. Totally defanging unions is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak.

A lot of people also forget the notion of "the devil you know is better than the devil you don't" or "never forget your situation can get worse" (so change is not always something good).

[raleighsocial]

Originally Posted by jd433

1.3 million for 500+ 6 digit earning jobs
Are you serious? This is Texas they could have blown away that little North Carolina town.

For those that don't know this Little North Carolina town is the US headquarters of Lenovo and hosts campuses for Oracle Corporation, Credit Suisse, IQVIA, Fidelity Investments, Metlife, Relias, and Bühler Motor. And is next door to one of the world's largest research parks ever created featuring campuses for companies such as IBM, Cisco Systems, GlaxoSmithKline, BASF, Bayer, Credit Suisse, Dell EMC, Fidelity Investments, NetApp, Cree, Epic Games, SAS Institute.

Just wanted to add context here.

In fact, Texas beat North Carolina harder. Apple's new Austin campus was suppose to go to RTP (near Morrisville actually) but then decided Austin would be a better fit. Apple still owns the land too.

500 vs 15,000.

[Jack Lance]

Originally Posted by raleighsocial

For those that don't know this Little North Carolina town is the US headquarters of Lenovo and hosts campuses for Oracle Corporation, Credit Suisse, IQVIA, Fidelity Investments, Metlife, Relias, and Bühler Motor. And is next door to one of the world's largest research parks ever created featuring campuses for companies such as IBM, Cisco Systems, GlaxoSmithKline, BASF, Bayer, Credit Suisse, Dell EMC, Fidelity Investments, NetApp, Cree, Epic Games, SAS Institute.

Just wanted to add context here.

In fact, Texas beat North Carolina harder. Apple's new Austin campus was suppose to go to RTP (near Morrisville actually) but then decided Austin would be a better fit. Apple still owns the land too.

500 vs 15,000.

That's just it Houston has no list of Tech companies to brag about, and Texas made no effort to be competitive even though these 500 jobs really could have been a big deal for the nascent tech industry in Houston.

[kwr]

Originally Posted by bu2

There was some thought Amazon didn't want to compete with Oil & Gas pay scales for professionals. Amazon isn't that high a payer for the skill levels they have.

Originally Posted by Redlionjr

I wonder where that thought came from? Sound like some Houston homer made that up after not even being consider for a HQ2 location. There were several articles stating why Houston wasn’t even considered a choice.

Redlionjr, bu2 is right. I remember reading this reason in an online news article. I decided to speak with my graduate school classmate about it — she’s the head of HR in Seattle. The premise behind the reason was once the O&G industry heated up, Amazon would have to offer higher salaries to retain talent, upsetting internal equity and its pay structure.

Amazon’s base salary is capped at $160k which is “fairly low” compared to similar roles in the O&G industry. The O&G industry is one of the highest paying industries. Amazon also offers stock that vests over a four year period and cash for two years to ease the transition if joining from a company with a previous higher base salary. Essentially, you join Amazon for the name and experience, not for the money.

In my opinion (and many), the timing of Harvey was the nail in the coffin. The local media spent far too much energy selling a story for ratings that the majority of metro was underwater, when 90% of the metro area wasn’t impacted. Losing Amazon was the casualty.

Fast forward to today and looking back on the Amazon bidding process, it was a sick joke.

[shanv3]

Originally Posted by raleighsocial

For those that don't know this Little North Carolina town is the US headquarters of Lenovo and hosts campuses for Oracle Corporation, Credit Suisse, IQVIA, Fidelity Investments, Metlife, Relias, and Bühler Motor. And is next door to one of the world's largest research parks ever created featuring campuses for companies such as IBM, Cisco Systems, GlaxoSmithKline, BASF, Bayer, Credit Suisse, Dell EMC, Fidelity Investments, NetApp, Cree, Epic Games, SAS Institute.

Just wanted to add context here.

In fact, Texas beat North Carolina harder. Apple's new Austin campus was suppose to go to RTP (near Morrisville actually) but then decided Austin would be a better fit. Apple still owns the land too.

500 vs 15,000.

This is about Houston and we dont care about Austin

If I were incharge I would have given whatever Microsoft asked. Houston will always lack the edge and interest from these new age technology companies due to lack of scenery and bad weather.

And about NC, the Charlotte airport upgrade is very nice. It has imporoved leaps and bounds after it became American hub. ANd I didnt know it had these many companies as you mentioned.

[jfre81]

Originally Posted by shanv3

This is about Houston and we dont care about Austin

Yeah. It's not that simple. These decisions don't occur in a vacuum around an eight-county area of Southeast Texas. Anything that's not government that can pay the rent anymore in Austin is tech, so the built-in labor pool is there. It's not like that in Houston.

Likewise, Exxon or Shell would naturally put something in Houston before Austin for the same reason. O&G folks and software engineers are two very different cuts of cloth. They're as different as people as Houston and Austin are as cities.

Let's start off, first of all, by making clear that Microsoft, Bill Gates and any other shareholder who doesn't happen to live in Houston, collectively give 2.2 nanobytes about Houston's economy in and of itself, beyond what that economy can do for them. It goes beyond corporate welfare. Bill Gates blows his nose with $14 million.

If I were incharge I would have given whatever Microsoft asked.

If any of us in charge there'd be a whole laundry list of **** that we think we'll do, but that doesn't mean it'll happen. That's why campaign promises tend not to get kept as they were made.

[shanv3]

Originally Posted by jfre81

Yeah. It's not that simple. These decisions don't occur in a vacuum around an eight-county area of Southeast Texas. Anything that's not government that can pay the rent anymore in Austin is tech, so the built-in labor pool is there. It's not like that in Houston.

Likewise, Exxon or Shell would naturally put something in Houston before Austin for the same reason. O&G folks and software engineers are two very different cuts of cloth. They're as different as people as Houston and Austin are as cities.

Let's start off, first of all, by making clear that Microsoft, Bill Gates and any other shareholder who doesn't happen to live in Houston, collectively give 2.2 nanobytes about Houston's economy in and of itself, beyond what that economy can do for them. It goes beyond corporate welfare. Bill Gates blows his nose with $14 million.



If any of us in charge there'd be a whole laundry list of **** that we think we'll do, but that doesn't mean it'll happen. That's why campaign promises tend not to get kept as they were made.

Every company needs tech to survive and there is no reason why they wouldnt want Microsoft here.

Also there is another aspect to it. Houston may not want to get highlighted as a tech hub, because there are 1000's of foreign engineeers from outsourcing companies working here for the Oil and gas companies. That number is much higher than Austin.

[jd433]

I cant believe that the State didnt back up Houston on this.

Originally Posted by Jack Lance

That's just it Houston has no list of Tech companies to brag about, and Texas made no effort to be competitive even though these 500 jobs really could have been a big deal for the nascent tech industry in Houston.