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the problem really has to be fixed from mexico's side, since it isn't our problem, although we have let it become our problem.
obama should be cutting off ALL foreign aid to mexico until they get their house in order. the money that illegal immigrants pull from this country and send to their country is higher than their oil revenues.
this is a war on american citizens, and we are currently losing.
look at some numbers from the GAO:
The Government Accountability Office (GAO) has released a report on the impacts of criminal aliens in our country on the American populace. While the US Median household income hovers around the mid $40,000 per year level, (and is dropping) the GAO report shows that criminal aliens incarcerated in prison, single individuals, are costing a large amount in some states. California pays $34,448 per year per criminal alien. New York pays $29,523 per year per criminal alien.
While it is disgusting enough that an illegal alien could cost a good chunk of what an average US household brings in each year simply by coming to our country and robbing someone, the most shocking part of the report is that the number of those we are incarcerating is increasing.
Another shocking number: 68% of criminal aliens in federal prisons are Mexican citizens.
A minority of Americans that are a majority here. I was actually shocked by the numbers of Mexican Nationals in the 2010 Census data. 10% of the population of the United States is a significant number.
And that is from a person in a household that is 80% Mexican...
That 80% is mirrored in the percentage of Mexican Nationals in legal status here. Over 25 million of them. This post would be better placed in the "Legal Immigration" sub-forum, except for that perception of them being "illegal".
I'm game to hear how the census data is wrong. The responses are from those that identify themselves as "Mexican" nationality (I can provide the other nationalities if needed). If anything, it stands a chance to be under-counted (by undocumented unwilling to respond to the census).
Who cares? Those numbers suggest that you should also focused on ending legal immigration as well. Best get some government programs to encourage high birthrates among non-Hispanics too.
Otherwise it is just a matter of time, to determine the winner of the Demographics War...
The question you posed is how many of Mexican descent here are perceived as being "illegal" and I asked perceived by whom? If there is a segment of our citizenry that perceives that most of them are illegals they would be among the minority in this country.
The Demographic war is being fueled mostly from illegal immigration from south of our border. You don't have a problem with that?
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The question you posed is how many of Mexican descent here are perceived as being "illegal" and I asked perceived by whom? If there is a segment of our citizenry that perceives that most of them are illegals they would be among the minority in this country.
The Demographic war is being fueled mostly from illegal immigration from south of our border. You don't have a problem with that? Why am I even asking? You won't answer that question anyway.
However, since the majority of Mexicans are in fact here illegally, it is not an “extremist” position to suspect a Mexican of being illegal, as implied by IBMMuseum.
However, since the majority of Mexicans are in fact here illegally, it is not an “extremist” position to suspect a Mexican of being illegal, as implied by IBMMuseum.
Very true, Benicar. I guess I should have said Hispanics in general rather than Mexicans.
The good think about Mexico's new decriminalization of immigration is that it's now very easy for the returning Mexicans to bring their spouses, their children, including those born in the USA. They can bring their girlfriends or boyfriends, and all kinds of family members.
These people are now eligible for the same things that the citizens of Mexico have. They can get health care, education and there is a lot of mention of family unification in those laws. No more excuses that they cannot ever go home. Also it should make it easy to deport the Central Americans just by taking them to the Mexican border where they entered the USA because they can seek asylum in Mexico and have full rights in Mexico.
Wrong again. Mexican immigrants do NOT account for 10% of our population. I think you are referring to the fact that we now have 10% of Mexico’s population living here. And, MOST are NOT here legally...
You're not understanding the terminology. The 2010 Census is reporting the nationality the person would identify with for their ethnic origins. That doesn't have to correlate with being "foreign-born" that the Pew Hispanic Center uses, as the Mexican Consulates allows their citizens to claim Mexican nationality for their U.S.-born children.
...By the way, if, as you claim, we have 25 million Mexicans in this country, and according to Pew 55% of Mexicans are illegal, that would give us almost 14 million ILLEGAL Mexicans. That is certainly not something to brag about...
I am referring to the census data claiming 31.8 million identifying with Mexican nationality, and thus 80% (closely comparing to the Pew Hispanic Center that there are about 6.9 million Mexicans with no immigration status in the United States) here legally (25 million with U.S. citizen or Legal Permanent Resident status). By "adjusting" your data when I state something, you are showing a common misleading technique of incorrectly extrapolating numbers. Iowa Representative Steve King used the same method to extrapolate his claim that illegal aliens were killing "25 Americans" a day.
If I say that Space Shuttle accidents are killing seven astronauts a day, it isn't true unless I am referring specifically to 28 January 1986 and 1 February 2003. There hasn't been 100,000 astronauts killed over the span of the Space Shuttle program. Don't change your numbers by the same conjecture.
As an example:
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Originally Posted by Benicar
...Would this be the same Census Bureau data that estimated we had 1 million illegals in this country when the 1986 amnesty was proposed, only to later grant amnesty to almost 3 million?
Later, it was discovered even that number fell short, and they are now attempting to “right that wrong” by legalizing the status of the remainder.
Their data was grossly underestimated then, and it is grossly underestimated now. As in 1986, we can expect the actual count to be at least 3 times the estimated number, or a total of 30 million or more.
Please expand your statement how a current "amnesty" will encompass "30 million or more" people...
...The Government Accountability Office (GAO) has released a report on the impacts of criminal aliens in our country on the American populace...
...Another shocking number: 68% of criminal aliens in federal prisons are Mexican citizens.
It's an interesting report, although rather large to download...
Of the statistic you reference, there is an estimated 55,000 "criminal aliens" in federal prisons. 68% of that number would be 37,400 Mexicans. For a country that has more than a million people behind bars, that is a drop in the bucket.
74% of responses to the 2010 Census were by mail. In areas where mail returns are not feasible, "enumerators" are deployed. The end results tends to be as accurate of picture that can be gained.
End result, a guess.
In one Canyon out here they (a news crew) counted 1500 illegals. Did a Census worker count these people? Um, no. Multiply that by the thousands. Few Colonias are counted.
It's an interesting report, although rather large to download...
Of the statistic you reference, there is an estimated 55,000 "criminal aliens" in federal prisons. 68% of that number would be 37,400 Mexicans. For a country that has more than a million people behind bars, that is a drop in the bucket.
good for you for trying to discuss this logically. the GAO report is, i believe, 71 pages long, but packed with a lot of interesting information:
GAO found that one of every four inmates in federal prisons is an illegal immigrant, and that number is rising.
Of course, not all illegal immigrants convicted of criminal activity are housed in federal prisons. Washington provides partial reimbursement (about 23 percent) to states that incarcerate criminal aliens through the Justice Department’s State Criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAAP). GAO estimates nearly 300,000 SCAAP aliens are confined in state and local prisons — a 35 percent increase from 2003.
Two-thirds (66 percent) of SCAAP prisoners are locked up in just six states — California, Texas, Arizona, Florida, New York and Illinois. California alone holds more than 100,000 — at huge cost to state taxpayers — while Texas incarcerates 37,000. As with federal inmates, the vast majority (66 percent) of aliens in state prisons are from Mexico.
Obviously, these incarcerated aliens represent a huge drain on taxpayers. The criminal justice system — from investigation to arrest to prosecution and imprisonment — does not come cheap. But the cost in terms of the safety and lives of American citizens is even higher — indeed, incalculable. GAO found “criminal aliens were arrested about 1.7 MILLION TIMES, averaging about 7 arrests per criminal alien.” Their offense records were even worse: “A total of 2.9 MILLION OFFENSES, averaging about 12 offenses per criminal alien.”
And what were those offenses? GAO’s random sample of 1,000 criminal aliens found that half were arrested at least once for assault, homicide, robbery, a sex offense (such as rape) or kidnapping. About 50 percent were arrested at least once on drug charges. In New York, the primary offense for which aliens were convicted in 2008 was homicide. From 2005 through 2008, drugs, sex crimes and assault were the top three offenses for illegal immigrants imprisoned by states seeking reimbursement under the SCAAP program.
But many of these aliens had multiple arrests in their record (which raises the question of why they were in a position to commit a second offense):
More than a quarter (28 percent) had six to 10 arrests.
Another 11 percent had 11 to 15 arrests.
3 percent had rap sheets revealing 21 OR MORE arrests.
Had those criminals been detained and deported when first arrested, hundreds of thousands of Americans would not have been victimized by their subsequent crimes.
you see that it isn't just a cost issue, but a safety issue for our citizens as well -with 2.9 MILLION offenses. (not even addressing unsolved crimes)
maybe, since mexico is allegedly "decriminalizing" migration, they will finally understand what we have to go through here.
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This is great! Now our illegal aliens can go to Mexico pretending to be American illegal aliens!
Instead of hanging out at Home Depot waiting for jobs they can hang out at the local Taco stand waiting for jobs.
Mexico has thousands of miles of dirt roads and cities in desperate need of sidewalks, they can hire these newly arrived illegal aliens and put them to work on those projects.
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