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Old 06-29-2011, 03:05 PM
 
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Well, I'm sure some people think I hate illegal immigrants and that I hate Spanish. I find hate to be a very negative emotion which is bad for one's health. I don't mind people speaking Spanish amongst themselves. I don't mind them teaching their own children pride in their heritage. But I do dislike it when they come HERE and expect ME to know THEIR language. I am against ANYONE, from ANYWHERE, disrespecting the immigration laws of our country, or of anyone else's country. My main concerns are that people who would NEVER pass the immigration procedure are still making their way into this country. I'm not talking about those who are only held back from passing due to financial requirements. Its the criminals, the mentally unstable, people connected to terrorist organizations and those who carry infectious diseases which really concern me.
And that's a very fair opinion. I'm not for 100% open borders, believe it or not, but I believe that legalizing very large numbers of immigrants (meaning as they enter, not via amnesty) would actually be a good way to isolate and identify those who are prone to violent crime, sick, etc.
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Old 06-29-2011, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Dalton Gardens
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I got laid off my part time job (supplementing my SS and wanted something to do) a couple of years ago. My job was in the auto industry and well you know how that industry took one of the biggest hits. In order to keep my measly little uemployment check I beat the pavement looking for work nearlly every day and did constant internet searches. There was nothing out there. I am limited as I can't do a job standing all day since I have a bad back. You are discriminated against when you reach a certain age also. They want these cutesy, dipsy young women even though in many cases they aren't as reliable as an older person is. I don't speak Spanish and many of the ads required bi-lingual workers (thank you for that, illegal aliens).

At least there are two wage earners in my family and my house is paid for. I also do volunteer work which is very rewarding.
Yes, and the constant search and always being turned away or ignored is very soul destroying. Plus, unemployment makes it very difficult to improve your situation, at least here in California. If you do ANY work, even if it is unpaid, they want to know so they can deduct so much from your payment. If you start taking classes to help improve your chances they want to know so they can determine whether or not they should now cut you off completely from unemployment, because if you are attending school you CAN'T be looking for work! I'm finding that even at only 48 I am "too old" now for an employer to invest in as an employee. My sister is 59 so she is having an even harder time. But, she is still considered "too young" to work as a greeter at Walmart! My sister had been an auditor and quality control specialist and she's now not even qualified to work for Walmart. What a sick joke!
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Old 06-29-2011, 03:12 PM
 
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Well, I'm sure some people think I hate illegal immigrants and that I hate Spanish. I find hate to be a very negative emotion which is bad for one's health. I don't mind people speaking Spanish amongst themselves. I don't mind them teaching their own children pride in their heritage. But I do dislike it when they come HERE and expect ME to know THEIR language. I am against ANYONE, from ANYWHERE, disrespecting the immigration laws of our country, or of anyone else's country. My main concerns are that people who would NEVER pass the immigration procedure are still making their way into this country. I'm not talking about those who are only held back from passing due to financial requirements. Its the criminals, the mentally unstable, people connected to terrorist organizations and those who carry infectious diseases which really concern me.

I can fully understand and sympathize with those who attempt to immigrate through the proper channels. My own husband came very close to being denied simply because he had been on prescription codeine for a long period of time in order to control arthritis pain brought about by the cold and damp climate of the UK. It didn't matter that at the time of application he had been off codeine for nearly 6 months. We still had to pay for very costly mental evaluations and medical exams to prove that he wasn't an addict or in some way mentally unstable. This extra costs alone, aside from the initial costs of applying, ate up nearly all of the money we had saved to immigrate back to the States with. Matter of fact, it took so much of our money that we had to live with my brother and sister-in-law for 8 months until we could both work and re-save money for our own place. Even I had to prove that I had the right to RETURN to my native United States! There were times when we were seriously very tempted to say "Screw it!" and have my husband enter illegally through Canada or Mexico. But, in the end, we didn't want to be always looking over our shoulders, and my husband wanted to be able to work LEGALLY here and become an American citizen. I can sympathize, really. The process is scary, awful and expensive for many.
I commend you for doing it the right way. The problem with this crop mostly from Mexico is there are more of them that want to come here than we can accomodate in jobs and resources and keep our population growth stabilized but that matters not one iota to them. They won't take no for answer no matter what so they come anyway. We also have families to feed but that matters not to them either.
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Old 06-29-2011, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Dalton Gardens
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I commend you for doing it the right way. The problem with this crop mostly from Mexico is there are more of them that want to come here than we can accomodate in jobs and resources and keep our population growth stabilized but that matters not one iota to them. They won't take no for answer no matter what so they come anyway. We also have families to feed but that matters not to them either.
Thank you.

Exactly! It isn't that immigration is wrong or unacceptable, when done the right way, because the quotas are in place for a reason, one of which is to provide economic security to both citizens and legal immigrants. We can only allow in as many as we can supply jobs and housing for. When determining these quotas so many different things need to be looked at and considered, including the impact on schools, housing, jobs, medical care, etc...
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Old 06-29-2011, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Dalton Gardens
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I know this is titled "Why So Little Faith In The American Worker?" but maybe we should include "Why So Little Faith In The System By The American Worker."

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Old 06-29-2011, 06:27 PM
 
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Because as just one of MILLIONS unemployed Americans struggling to find a job with a livable wage and full-time hours, wages are pretty damn important right now! What he pays his employees is a legitimate question.

I understood his point perfectly, and it might surprise you to hear that I agree, for the most part. However, in some job markets the same cannot be said. People who are tring to stay afloat by freelancing are finding that unless they drop their price and compete at the same low wages many illegals are offering their services for, they cannot get clients.
Exactly but also extend that to what companies hiring low paid Visa workers are charging because they can get the Visa worker for lower pay. Add to that the number of companies that outsource all of the work they can not only to offshore operations but also to sub-contractors who do not hire (W2) their workers but instead force them on 1099's at lower wages.

It is a very legitimate question about what the OP's company pays their people! I seriously doubt you will get an answer, or even an honest answer, as that does not appear to be the intention of the post. I would suspect the OP is trying to assuage their own feelings of guilt at paying less than what their worker needs to pay bills and try to save for retirement in the future. So they come to CD and try to make themselves feel better by posting some line of BS anonymously!
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Old 06-29-2011, 06:29 PM
 
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When you are unemployed, you lose bargaining power. This is why recessions suck for laborers and low-level employees generally. Management knows that even though you don't want to take a pay hit, or a benefits cut, you will.
Tell that to 15 Million Americans who have lost their bargaining power due to offshoring, corporate greed, etc., etc.
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Old 06-29-2011, 06:38 PM
 
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Yeah, well, I'm not too proud to take lower pay to be employed, but the employers don't seem to get that. I've been applying for jobs which should be paying me no less than $18 an hour for my qualifications and experience, but which are offering only $9.50. And, the biggest hurdle....many of these employers now want SPANISH speaking employees.

Here's what really pisses me off about this...

My sister-in-law's mother works at the local Adult Education center, where English Language courses are being offered FREE for those who wish to learn English in order to be "employable." However, for those of us who might wish to learn Spanish in order to meet job market requirements and become employed, because it isn't ENGLISH employers are looking for, they are charging $800 for the course! They are also offering free courses in Excel and other IT classes free of charge to minority groups and non-English speakers, but I need to pay in order to take the courses.
No offense intended but to use a phrase "You're preaching to the choir". These people that seem to disagree with you most likely have a well paying job and think they are set. When the economy rolls around and smaks them in the rear and they start searching for another job they will change their tune faster than a chameleon changes colors!

All of what you have said is very true and all of those freebies they are handing to the poor immigrant (legal and illegal) is coming out of the tax dollars you will continue to pay even while unemployed. This is the New America! Here they do not care about their own citizens that are struggling and will do everything they can to make life peachy for those who choose to come here and suck the life blood out of this country!
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Old 06-29-2011, 06:40 PM
 
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I don't know what software developers made in the 80s, but my most junior employee is the equivalent of around $30/hr. We only have a hand full of staff, but pretty standard out of school salary for a programmer. The biggest advantage of a high unemployment rate is that we can be pickier when interviewing candidates to get closer to the skill set that what we really want. Salary demands haven't changed much.
Another corporate euphemism for now that so many people are unemployed we can take serious advantage of them! As for salary demands not changing that is the viewpoint of a corporation and certainly not the employee!
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Old 06-29-2011, 08:01 PM
 
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Another corporate euphemism for now that so many people are unemployed we can take serious advantage of them! As for salary demands not changing that is the viewpoint of a corporation and certainly not the employee!
Yes! This is exactly the victim mentality I was talking about! Corporations, immigrants, the government, internet posters with small companies, all of them out to get you. When the economy gets tough you can A) find somebody who's out to get you or B) work to improve the product you're trying to push.
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