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Old 07-05-2011, 12:55 PM
 
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Well, when knowing spanish IS "the basic skill needed for the job" then yes, it IS the same thing.



Then why would you want to work for such a company anyway? You're being excluded from jobs you don't even want, so what's your complaint, exactly?
Knowing Spanish is not a basic skill for American jobs. I am retired so I am not being excluded from any job but I do know Americans that have been. I care about my fellow Americans job opportunities in this country and not being discriminated against because they can't communicate with illegal invaders.
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Old 07-05-2011, 12:59 PM
 
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None of this really has anything to do with the circular logic argument. If you are so worried about the fraud, tax evasion (lol, they pay taxes, it's proven, even the IRS admits it) etc, there's a very, very simple solution.
The "simple" solution that you pro-illegals are advocating for which is amnesty is not in the best interests of the citizens of this country overall.
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Old 07-05-2011, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Pa
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None of this really has anything to do with the circular logic argument. If you are so worried about the fraud, tax evasion (lol, they pay taxes, it's proven, even the IRS admits it) etc, there's a very, very simple solution.
And where do you stop with this solution? What crimes will we apply it to so we dont have to worry about them being illegal?
The dog keeps soiling the carpet simple solution. Remove the carpet?
Keep the dog tied to a tree outside?
Little Johnny likes to play with matches. simple solution get rid of all the matches?
Little Tommy likes look in peoples windows when they are in the shower.
Simple solution. Buy him porn?
Fred cant drive the speed limit. Simple solution eliminate all speed limits?
These are all easy solutions but that doesnt make them the right or even the best solution.
Your solution has been tried and the end result has been even more of the same problem. Which is normally the case when you reward unwanted behaviors.
Then again what do we tell all the honest people who did it right?
What do we tell all those who paid their fees, and are waiting for their VISA?
Sorry its smart to break the rules?
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Old 07-05-2011, 02:04 PM
 
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Knowing Spanish is not a basic skill for American jobs.
it is for THOSE jobs. I mean, unless someone went and made you the business operations czar for all US industry while I was sleeping.

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I am retired so I am not being excluded from any job but I do know Americans that have been.
Yes, I've excluded americans from jobs for not knowing enough math. As we've already been over.

Earlier you said:

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Never said that all Spanish speakers are illegals.
But now you're saying:

I care about my fellow Americans job opportunities in this country and not being discriminated against because they can't communicate with illegal invaders.[/quote]

So which is it? If a job requires spanish, it's only for communicating with illegal invaders. But not all spanish speakers are illegals? Only the illegal ones do business in the US? Please, explain it to me.
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Old 07-05-2011, 02:09 PM
 
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And where do you stop with this solution? What crimes will we apply it to so we dont have to worry about them being illegal?
That's actually a very good, valid question.

I have an answer.

I propose applying it to all "crimes" that are victimless crimes manufactured by a busybody government intruding into private matters.

I would also include such made-up "crimes" such as smoking weed.

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Sorry its smart to break the rules?
Some rules are so stupid that yes, breaking them is smart. I know you guys like to pretend that there's NO WAY any thinking human being could actually APPLY LOGIC and figure this out (until someone asks about jaywalking, then suddenly it's OBVIOUS) but it's actually not that hard.
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Old 07-05-2011, 03:02 PM
 
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it is for THOSE jobs. I mean, unless someone went and made you the business operations czar for all US industry while I was sleeping.



Yes, I've excluded americans from jobs for not knowing enough math. As we've already been over.

Earlier you said:



But now you're saying:

I care about my fellow Americans job opportunities in this country and not being discriminated against because they can't communicate with illegal invaders.
So which is it? If a job requires spanish, it's only for communicating with illegal invaders. But not all spanish speakers are illegals? Only the illegal ones do business in the US? Please, explain it to me.[/quote]

You keep bringing up the same old arguments even though they have been thoroughly trounced in here. Which jobs should require Spanish? The issue was excluding Americans from a job due to not knowing Spanish, not math.

You must have a reading comprehension problem because I already stated that all Spanish speakers are not illegals. I also said that most Hispanic Americans know how to speak English so I asked just who are these employers pandering to then? Yet you want me to explain to you yet again?

I am sick of debating with you while you chase your tail back to the same arguments all over again without acknowledging what I have already posted and answered. Bye, off to my ignore list you go!
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Old 07-05-2011, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Perhaps a citizen should find out if their "love interest" is here legally or not first before getting involved. After that they should evaluate whether or not their "love interest" will be able to remain in this country through legal channels or not or if they are willing to join them in their own homeland. And no, love does not conquer "all".

The only thing I am aware of about instant citizenship is birthright citizenship and that is no myth so what are you talking about?

I have no problem if an illegal alien returns to their homeland and applies legally to come here but they and their American love interest or spouse should accept the fact that it may not be possible or they may have to wait for years for it to happen and stop whining about it since they made the decision to become involved with each other.
Yes, it's probably good advice for anyone to know whom they are marrying, but love happens. As I said, often these relationships are long-established, and may have children involved. The misconception that anyone marrying a U.S. citizen gain legal status or citizenship is very common, and a couple doesn't realize from the onset of what is involved.

All of the women involved seem very much in the reality of their situation, even though it may hurt their case later (much of an I-601 is proving the U.S. citizen is unable to live in their spouse's home country). You may say you are fine with it, but do you perceive the end result as legal immigration or a personal amnesty? I see other opinions here that aren't so accepting, and think that the foreign national spouse should be permanently banned (the I-601 is no guarantee, and it might come out like that anyway).
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Old 07-05-2011, 03:34 PM
 
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You keep bringing up the same old arguments even though they have been thoroughly trounced in here. Which jobs should require Spanish? The issue was excluding Americans from a job due to not knowing Spanish, not math.
It's not up to me to determine which jobs "should" require spanish.

It's not up to you either.

If the guy writing the checks says he needs someone who speaks spanish, then who are you to say he's wrong??

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You must have a reading comprehension problem because I already stated that all Spanish speakers are not illegals. I also said that most Hispanic Americans know how to speak English so I asked just who are these employers pandering to then? Yet you want me to explain to you yet again?
Yes. explain it again. How is it that the ONLY reason people would want spanish language skills is to "pander" to "illegal invaders" if you just admitted that (using your words here) "all Spanish speakers are not illegals"? I think you meant "not all spanish speakers are illegals" but I'm an honest debater so I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here.

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I am sick of debating with you while you chase your tail back to the same arguments all over again without acknowledging what I have already posted and answered. Bye, off to my ignore list you go!
I am pretty sure the problem here is the fact that I DO acknowledge what you already posted. Hung by your own petard, as it were. I don't blame you for taking your ball and going home.
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Old 07-05-2011, 03:44 PM
 
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Yes, it's probably good advice for anyone to know whom they are marrying, but love happens. As I said, often these relationships are long-established, and may have children involved. The misconception that anyone marrying a U.S. citizen gain legal status or citizenship is very common, and a couple doesn't realize from the onset of what is involved.

All of the women involved seem very much in the reality of their situation, even though it may hurt their case later (much of an I-601 is proving the U.S. citizen is unable to live in their spouse's home country). You may say you are fine with it, but do you perceive the end result as legal immigration or a personal amnesty? I see other opinions here that aren't so accepting, and think that the foreign national spouse should be permanently banned (the I-601 is no guarantee, and it might come out like that anyway).
End result? Whatever the requirements are by law to gain legal status in this country, I don't object to. I do believe that means returning to their homelands and applying to come here legally. What I do object to is them remaining here illegally.
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Old 07-05-2011, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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End result? Whatever the requirements are by law to gain legal status in this country, I don't object to. I do believe that means returning to their homelands and applying to come here legally. What I do object to is them remaining here illegally.
So if a former illegal alien complies with the requirements for lawfully re-entry once they exit the United States, it isn't an issue for you?...

Would you object to any of the "touch-back" proposals for an illegal alien to leave and be evaluated by the same mechanism, and satisfying legal immigration requirements in place, to be able to re-enter?...

Currently, for "visa overstays", the foreign national spouse of a U.S. citizen is allowed to do the same evaluation process in-country, because they were originally "inspected" on their visa entry...
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