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Old 12-24-2011, 04:55 PM
 
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The term "anchor baby" is dehumanizing to people that had no choice over the location or circumstances of their birth, since it reduces the description of a large class of people to the nature of their birth, and one of the connotations of the metaphor of an anchor is that the anchor can be removed, and both the vessel and the unwanted anchor removed from the port.

In a sense, this is symbolic of the intermediate status of the so-called "Mexican-American," caught between two cultures, rejected by Mexicans as not truly Mexican and by Americans as not truly American.
That's ridiculous.

Americans have been remarkably and frankly insanely generous with Mexicans. We've let millions of Mexicans here legally. The problem is that millions of Mexicans are under the arrogant delusion that we should let in ALL Mexicans even junior high school drop outs or those with chronic medical condition that will require hundreds of thousands of dollar in taxpayer funded medicaid treatments.

If anything it is Mexicans who demonize Americans and refuse to view us as fully human. They view our laws as something that can be ignored at whim. Our jobs, classrooms, roads are something far too many view as something that is theirs for the taking if things do not work out in their home country even when our own national resouces are vastly strained and our own people suffering economically.

They selfishly make use of our country's welfare system whenever it pleases them while demonizing our people as racist, inhumane and inexcusably horrible if we dare mutter a single word of protest.

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Empirical research evidences that Mexican immigration patterns are not motivated by welfare exploitation, namely Explaining Mexican-Immigrant Welfare Behaviors: The Importance of Employment-Related Cultural Repertoires: "Social scientists generally seek to explain welfare-related behaviors in terms of economic, social structural, or culture of poverty theories. Such explanations, however, do not account for nativity differences in public assistance receipt among immigrants of Mexican origin. This article draws on the sociology of migration and culture literatures to develop a materialist-based cultural repertoire account and attendant hypotheses to explain the welfare behaviors of Mexican immigrants. We argue that such immigrants arrive and work in the United States under circumstances that foster employment-based cultural repertoires that, compared with natives and other immigrant groups, encourage less welfare participation (in part because such repertoires lead to faster welfare exits) and more postwelfare employment. This is particularly true in states with relatively more generous welfare policies. Using individual-level data predating the Welfare Reform Act, from multiple panels of the Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP) merged with state-level information on welfare benefit levels, we examine immigrant-group differences in welfare receipt, retention, and transition to employment across locales with varying levels of welfare benefits. Findings are largely consistent with our cultural repertoire account: Mexican immigrants tend to utilize welfare not primarily to avoid work, cope with disadvantage, or perpetuate a culture of dependency, but rather to minimize the effects of employment discontinuities. Such findings carry important theoretical and policy implications-implications we outline in our conclusion."
Illegals are NOT immigrants. Any report that fails to make that distinction is mere politcally correct nonsense. No immigrant should be using welfare at all anyway. If you find you can't make it here you should go home. We are under no obligation to support any immigrants, let alone millions of members of Mexico's underclass.

 
Old 12-24-2011, 05:01 PM
 
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lol The term is used directly towards the kids born here not the parents.
If it was directly towards the actions of their parents then it wouldn't be
anchor *BABY*. The term is a noun not a verb describing an action, especially in past tense.

And yes their parents broke the law but what to do with them is a complicated matter as I have been saying.
There's nothing "complicated" about what to do with illegals. The answer is simple. Stop rewarding them and send them home. People who skip our immigration lines should not be rewarded with benefits like food stamps and interpreters even if they drop a baby on American soil. They certainly should not be given American citizenship if they manage to break our immigration laws for a prolonged period.

As for any kids they have here they should go home with their parents. They overcrowd our schools and their parents do not pay enough in taxes to support them. Our citizenship laws were never meant to extend to the offspring of people who break them.
 
Old 12-24-2011, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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...Americans have been remarkably and frankly insanely generous with Mexicans. We've let millions of Mexicans here legally. The problem is that millions of Mexicans are under the arrogant delusion that we should let in ALL Mexicans even junior high school drop outs or those with chronic medical condition that will require hundreds of thousands of dollar in taxpayer funded medicaid treatments.

If anything it is Mexicans who demonize Americans and refuse to view us as fully human. They view our laws as something that can be ignored at whim. Our jobs, classrooms, roads are something far too many view as something that is theirs for the taking if things do not work out in their home country even when our own national resouces are vastly strained and our own people suffering economically.

They selfishly make use of our country's welfare system whenever it pleases them while demonizing our people as racist, inhumane and inexcusably horrible if we dare mutter a single word of protest...
This sounds like one of your usual rants against Mexicans in general. Thank You for providing the constant reinforcement to where I want to stand. Merry Christmas, tell Santa to stop short of our Southern border, it is just a bunch of ingrates down there anyway.
 
Old 12-24-2011, 09:11 PM
 
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Children born from illegals are considered anchor babies. The same way they want to stop calling illegals illegal they want to be called immigrant.
To call a group of people "illegals" is insulting. "Anchor babies" is a negative judgment.

Negative language is not helpful. You are not honoring the divinity of each human being - you are basically relegating them to the status of less than animal. Shameful.
 
Old 12-24-2011, 09:18 PM
 
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This sounds like one of your usual rants against Mexicans in general. Thank You for providing the constant reinforcement to where I want to stand. Merry Christmas, tell Santa to stop short of our Southern border, it is just a bunch of ingrates down there anyway.
This sounds like your usual refusal to face facts. Thank you for providing evidence that the actions of illegals are only fine to many of their supporters for shared identity politics and ethnic reasons. Mexican nationals should damned well be grateful to people like me, especially when they consider how many of their children I help to educate, how I finance the roads they drive on without insurance and the medical bills they walk away from great contempt.



Happy Hanukah to you, too, dear. I sincerely hope the many deeply anti-Semitic Atzlan nuts who so disdain my culture go without Jewish inventions such as vaccines and modern physics.

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Old 12-24-2011, 10:04 PM
 
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This sounds like one of your usual rants against Mexicans in general. Thank You for providing the constant reinforcement to where I want to stand. Merry Christmas, tell Santa to stop short of our Southern border, it is just a bunch of ingrates down there anyway.
Are you in denial that it is mostly Mexicans who violate our immigration laws? Yet when this is pointed out it is called a rant? Reinforcement to where you stand? Just where do you stand?

You last remark is just nonsense. They aren't ingrates if they stay in their own country rather than breaking our immigration laws by coming here illegally.
 
Old 12-24-2011, 10:11 PM
 
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To call a group of people "illegals" is insulting. "Anchor babies" is a negative judgment.

Negative language is not helpful. You are not honoring the divinity of each human being - you are basically relegating them to the status of less than animal. Shameful.
Why should we care if lawbreakers feel insulted? Illegal aliens are what they are. How is that insulting? The term anchor baby once again is applied because their parents think they can anchor themselves onto our country by giving birth on our soil.

Ridiculous to claim that they are being reduced to less than animals. Sure everyone has good points. Is that what you mean by divitity? But the fact remains that they have broken our immigration laws and that is just the beginning after they get here. Shameful that anyone would choose illegal foreigners over the welfare of their own fellow citizens. That is if you are a citizen, I really don't know.
 
Old 12-24-2011, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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...Mexican nationals should damned well be grateful to people like me, especially when they consider how many of their children I help to educate, how I finance the roads they drive on without insurance and the medical bills they walk away from great contempt...
You mean of course in the state where you live. Sure there is Federal funds for road projects for other states, but I didn't want you to get more carried away for more than what you do. Please try to keep within reality of what and whom you help support.
 
Old 12-25-2011, 09:59 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by EvocatusCenturion View Post
lol The term is used directly towards the kids born here not the parents.
If it was directly towards the actions of their parents then it wouldn't be
anchor *BABY*. The term is a noun not a verb describing an action, especially in past tense.

And yes their parents broke the law but what to do with them is a complicated matter as I have been saying.
Complicated how? They chose to come here. We aren't choosing to support them. We are being forced to. If they choose to exit on their own there no longer is a problem. If they choose to stay, and we are forced to deal with them in our daily lives they can expect more of the existing harsh conditions. Lets not forget who "chose" to start this mess. The illegals did.
 
Old 12-25-2011, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Are you in denial that it is mostly Mexicans who violate our immigration laws? Yet when this is pointed out it is called a rant?...
No, it was a rant against Mexicans instead of being focused on illegal aliens:

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Originally Posted by Eleanora1 View Post
...Americans have been remarkably and frankly insanely generous with Mexicans. We've let millions of Mexicans here legally. The problem is that millions of Mexicans are under the arrogant delusion that we should let in ALL Mexicans even junior high school drop outs or those with chronic medical condition that will require hundreds of thousands of dollar in taxpayer funded medicaid treatments.

If anything it is Mexicans who demonize Americans and refuse to view us as fully human. They view our laws as something that can be ignored at whim. Our jobs, classrooms, roads are something far too many view as something that is theirs for the taking if things do not work out in their home country even when our own national resouces are vastly strained and our own people suffering economically.

They selfishly make use of our country's welfare system whenever it pleases them while demonizing our people as racist, inhumane and inexcusably horrible if we dare mutter a single word of protest...
I read it and thought of the bile put towards those like my legally-immigrating Mexican, on a day we would be celebrating the birth of a Jew...

WWJD...

(No, not that, rather: Who Would Jesus Deport)
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