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Old 04-09-2008, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Denver
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We have every right to protest the illegal immigrants being here in the USA.

Hint, hint, Washington.
But in schools? All that assignment does is draw lines between kids and create targets on their backs. Of course some stupid kids are going to take the other side.

It is an irresponsible assignment, the teacher should be fired for causing this.

We have enough violence in schools, we don't need teachers creating it.
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Old 04-09-2008, 10:07 AM
 
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I don't particularly disagree with her. Freedom of speech does not apply to sppech that could cause a disruption in a school context. You wish to assert this did not cause a disruption?

If one adopts disruptive behavior for good cause I have no particular problem with the morality as long as one is willing to deal with the consequences. Rosa Parks broke the law...good for Rosa Parks.

A.) Her behavior wasn't disruptive. The assignment itself may have been controversial at most...Her assailants disrupted a peaceable person by turning a controversial assignment into a disruption...

Ur right. Rosa Parks, WITHOUT PHYSICAL VIOLENCE, broke from a cultural norm relevant to her time period...thereby breaking the law...and she was arrested...whats your point?..thats exactly what should happen to these kids...they should be arrested.

B.) Rosa Parks fought for civil rights...meaning the rights of civilians (civilians are citizens of this country)...not for the rights of non citizens, who by the very fact that they are in this country illegally, are criminals
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Old 04-09-2008, 10:09 AM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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When Rosa Parks (who BTW, was Mulatto, not Black according to the 1930 Census) broke the law ca. 1955 by refusing the bus driver's order to vacate her seat for a 'White' man---------public opinion was already turning against Jim Crow laws.

Here in Arizona we had changed most of not all of ours by ca. 1952.

Back to Ms Parks; the Jim Crow laws in the South started dropping like flies shortly thereafter---------the last one banning 'interracial' marriage was declared unconstitutional in 1967 (Virginia).

In fact: Soledad O'Brien's (the anchorwoman) mother and father had to marry in NY or DC to avoid that nonsense---------he was a White Australian and she was a Black (Hispanic) from maybe Cuba?
And I expect in the fullness of time the illegal problem will be solved by making almost all of them legal. Hopefully once we have removed that impediment to a good immigration policy we will actually gain control of our immigration. Then again we may again blow it like we did in the 80s.

It is reasonably straighforward to control, track and remove an illegal sector of a few hundred thousand. Once they achieve millions with an even larger "fifth column" it is not going to happen.
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Old 04-09-2008, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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And I expect in the fullness of time the illegal problem will be solved by making almost all of them legal. Hopefully once we have removed that impediment to a good immigration policy we will actually gain control of our immigration. Then again we may again blow it like we did in the 80s.

It is reasonably straighforward to control, track and remove an illegal sector of a few hundred thousand. Once they achieve millions with an even larger "fifth column" it is not going to happen.
Anymore; I put little stock in your opinions-----------you are coming across as a 'Quisling' IMHO.
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Old 04-09-2008, 10:20 AM
 
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I don't particularly disagree with her. Freedom of speech does not apply to sppech that could cause a disruption in a school context. You wish to assert this did not cause a disruption?

If one adopts disruptive behavior for good cause I have no particular problem with the morality as long as one is willing to deal with the consequences. Rosa Parks broke the law...good for Rosa Parks.
According to your reasoning, any speech or written word that might 'upset' hispanic students should be banned from school. Nonsense. The problem was not her poster, it was their reaction to it.
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Old 04-09-2008, 10:21 AM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Anymore; I put little stock in your opinions-----------you are coming across as a 'Quisling' IMHO.

Please...you never put any stock in my writings. I write for those who approach the subject with an open mind.

Your writings are classical xenophobic rantings cloaked in the cover of "illegal" oppositon.
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Old 04-09-2008, 10:27 AM
 
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Isn't this just the worst assignment you ever heard of? Don't we already have enough school shootings in America, yet teachers choose a such a controversial topic that is sure to make stupid kids violent.

Talk about making schools safer. I blame the teacher, especially in Texas where you know some white kid is going to protest illegals.

If these students are only capable of responding to a viewpoint that differs from theirs by becoming violent, then they belong in a special school that is equipped to handle such students.
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Old 04-09-2008, 10:27 AM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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Please...you never put any stock in my writings. I write for those who approach the subject with an open mind.

You writings are clasical xenophobic rantings cloaked in the cover of "illegal" oppositon.
By open mind, you mean, open only to your own personal prejudice, right?

ArizonaBear's writings are anything but xenophobic - and they most definitely aren't "rantings". He makes rational points and I have yet to read a single post showing signs of xenophobia. And his frankness dispels your insinuation that he is cloaking anything at all.

FWIW, it's spelled "classical".

Wow, the pro-illegals seem to grasping at straws now. Signs of desperation.
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Old 04-09-2008, 10:28 AM
 
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Please...you never put any stock in my writings. I write for those who approach the subject with an open mind.

Your writings are classical xenophobic rantings cloaked in the cover of "illegal" oppositon.

'Change This? Nah Can't' --------- BAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Old 04-09-2008, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Denver
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If these students are only capable of responding to a viewpoint that differs from theirs by becoming violent, then they belong in a special school that is equipped to handle such students.
Did you go to public school? I did, violence in schools crosses all racial boundaries and does not need to be instigated by teachers.

I doubt a college would even have such an assignment.
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