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I would think the young lady could well be suspended for displaying her poster in the lunch room. The class of course provides coverage for having the sign in the school...but once it is displayed in the lunch room all bets are off. There is no constitutional right for a student to display such a poster in the school.
The reason of course is clear. Such statements can cause reactions and even violence.
Try "Clean up American...all N*****s back to Africa" in a High School lunch room and see how it works out.
One never defends stuipid kids...whether displaying "war" posters or reacting to them. But the defense of such ethnic and racial positions in well established in our society. Think the white kids in Jena would put up with a black kid with a sign "honkies back to Europe"?
Only one so far who has made any sense was dad...who suggested it was a stupid assignment.
Your argument is hopelessly flawed. The girls sign was not racist ---- she did not say "deport all hispanics/mexicans/puerto ricans " she said deport all illegals, no mention of race, sex or creed. The thugs that felt they needed to show her by slamming her face in a wall and threatening rape are thugs, regardless of their potentially hurt feelings by a sign. They have no place in a school setting if they cannot hold their violent tendencies better then that.
Also, other students made posters, as they were to be controversial (as per the assignment) do you propose that nobody else had their feelings hurt? Yet somehow they were able to keep their hands and threats to themselves. Why is that?
I would think the young lady could well be suspended for displaying her poster in the lunch room. The class of course provides coverage for having the sign in the school...but once it is displayed in the lunch room all bets are off. There is no constitutional right for a student to display such a poster in the school.
Please show me where it says she displayed it in the lunch room. As far as I can see she didn't.
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Try "Clean up American...all N*****s back to Africa" in a High School lunch room and see how it works out.
Her sign used NO racist words nor referred to a specific race. Your analogy is bad.
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Originally Posted by olecapt
One never defends stupid kids...whether displaying "war" posters or reacting to them. But the defense of such ethnic and racial positions in well established in our society. Think the white kids in Jena would put up with a black kid with a sign "honkies back to Europe"?
Only one so far who has made any sense was dad...who suggested it was a stupid assignment.
I do defend kids, both smart and stupid ones, I'm sorry to hear that you don't. Kids should NOT be beaten up for what they say. If the student displayed the sign, AND it is against school policy (When and where I went to school it was not, I even have a picture of me protesting the environment in the lunch room) then she should be punished. HOWEVER that in no way gives anyone the right to commit Assault & Battery upon another.
I would think the young lady could well be suspended for displaying her poster in the lunch room. The class of course provides coverage for having the sign in the school...but once it is displayed in the lunch room all bets are off. There is no constitutional right for a student to display such a poster in the school.
The reason of course is clear. Such statements can cause reactions and even violence.
Try "Clean up American...all N*****s back to Africa" in a High School lunch room and see how it works out.
One never defends stuipid kids...whether displaying "war" posters or reacting to them. But the defense of such ethnic and racial positions in well established in our society. Think the white kids in Jena would put up with a black kid with a sign "honkies back to Europe"?
Only one so far who has made any sense was dad...who suggested it was a stupid assignment.
1.) Her sign said “If you love our nation, stop illegal immigration.” There was no mention of ANY ethnicity, let alone any words designed to incite anger.
2.) She didn't 'display it in the lunchroom'. She turned it in on Monday and said she had no idea how it got to the lunch room on Friday.
3.) This happened at a middle school, NOT a high school.
Your whole statement is a gross example of responding to something that isn't there, just like those 8th graders...
1.) Her sign said “If you love our nation, stop illegal immigration.” There was no mention of ANY ethnicity, let alone any words designed to incite anger.
2.) She didn't 'display it in the lunchroom'. She turned it in on Monday and said she had no idea how it got to the lunch room on Friday.
3.) This happened at a middle school, NOT a high school.
Your whole statement is a gross example of responding to something that isn't there, just like those 8th graders...
1.) Her sign said “If you love our nation, stop illegal immigration.” There was no mention of ANY ethnicity, let alone any words designed to incite anger.
2.) She didn't 'display it in the lunchroom'. She turned it in on Monday and said she had no idea how it got to the lunch room on Friday.
3.) This happened at a middle school, NOT a high school.
Your whole statement is a gross example of responding to something that isn't there, just like those 8th graders...
Sorry but this is absurd. The offense was to present a sign that could cause a disruption. She obviously did as a disruption occured. Or do you now deny a disruption took place?
The sign was apparently in the lunch room. Does one have some evidence that she did not bring it? The Teacher sent it? How was it associated with her?
Any sign that creates a disruption is out of bounds in a middle or high school cafeteria. Any principal will be glad to explain why.
Sorry but this is absurd. The offense was to present a sign that could cause a disruption. She obviously did as a disruption occured. Or do you now deny a disruption took place?
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Other than "EXIT" or "GYMNASIUM" or "BOYS" or "GIRLS"....would you please define for us a sign that, if put up in a school, would be guaranteed NOT to cause disruption, on the part of anyone who read it?
How about "Beat the Pirates Friday"....could THAT cause any disruption? What would be the limits (in your view) of acceptability? Please don't mention ethnic, or racial, or gender, or sexual orientation 'slurs', because the sign in question didn't contain any of these OBVIOUS 'disruptors'...
Would "Stop Drunk Driving" have provoked violence on the part of those students who might have had alcohol abusers among their relatives? If so, should we CURTAIL all Alcohol-Awareness programs, in order not to 'infuriate' such students into violently defending their 'drinking loved ones' by beating up those who post these messages?
Sorry but this is absurd. The offense was to present a sign that could cause a disruption. She obviously did as a disruption occured. Or do you now deny a disruption took place?
The sign was apparently in the lunch room. Does one have some evidence that she did not bring it? The Teacher sent it? How was it associated with her?
Any sign that creates a disruption is out of bounds in a middle or high school cafeteria. Any principal will be glad to explain why.
If the girl who 'posted' the sign is question is suspended--------those punks who jumped her need to be placed in juvie. And; have their status here in the USA checked by ICE.
The three students given in-school suspension are Hispanic, Hayes said. Bowers is white. Although the school has video surveillance, Hayes said the incident occurred in a blind spot out of camera range but no punches were thrown.
Hayes said that since local media first reported the story in Athens, a city of 12,000 about 70 miles south of Dallas, the district has received e-mails from far away.
He said some messages are prefaced with sympathy for Bowers, but go on to say that the other students "are American citizens just like I am, and just like you are."
Teen hurt after taking illegal immigration sign to school | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5685125.html - broken link)
She was taunting the hispanic students with the sign
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Hayes said she was showing the sign in the hallway when a group of students tried wresting it away.
J.R. Bowers, the girl's father, said Melanie suffered scratch marks along her neck, face and arms. He said she also had a swollen jaw.
Bowers said as many as 20 students surrounded his daughter in the hallway, and Hayes said others may have hurled verbal insults. The poster was ultimately destroyed by other students.
"She was like a zebra on her arm," Bowers said of the bruises. "She believes they were intentionally trying to hurt her."
I knew there was no hate crime or even a crime involved in this.
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