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Old 02-14-2019, 02:19 PM
 
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Yes, because liberals really suppot everify:

https://www.workforcecomplianceinsig...in-california/
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Old 02-14-2019, 04:04 PM
 
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good question




why do the democrats push against e-verify are every turn??
Why does nt Trump use it at ALL his resorts ?
The pimp pipeline from Costa Rica to his Golf Club....funneled now and again to his buddy Epstein....
yeah. That s why. Trump Republicans shudder the thought of shutting down the cheap labor.

Why do you think he s all Wall Wall Wall...dont look at Costa Rica!!!
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Old 02-14-2019, 04:11 PM
 
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Aren't most illegals paid cash under the table?? How would e-verify help resolve this??
It's not contingent on the efficacy of the e-verify system. That's just one way to go about it.

What's important is enforcement, which can be as simple as doing random raids like they currently do with harsh fines to employers.

Minimum fine to any employer of $20K for EACH undocumented employee found, whether they knew it or not - so they can't plead ignorance.

If the threat to employers became real, most would not risk their business to hire cheap illegal aliens. You wouldn't have to go to every business.
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Old 02-14-2019, 06:22 PM
 
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Mandatory E-verify is useless, those that do not want illegals working for them already use it.
Those that like to hire illegals will just pay cash.
Having illegals working with somebody else's papers generates billions in income for the government as those funds are never claimed.


Simple as that.

"The most recent IRS data, from 2015, shows that the agency received 4.4 million income tax returns from workers who donít have Social Security numbers, which includes a large number of undocumented immigrants. That year, they paid $23.6 billion in income taxes. That doesnít even include workers who paid taxes with fake Social Security numbers on their W-2 forms, which is also common." -- if you count those the total amount could easily triple.

E-verify is not useless it would help a lot in weeding out and discouraging illegals from tying to get on a payroll. As for any income taxes they pay in it's far less than the taxes that they cost us. They cost us over $100 billion a year.
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Old 02-14-2019, 06:25 PM
 
Location: NY in body, Mayberry in spirit.
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All this talk about the wall funding is really getting on my nerves. Simply because the wall is totally, absolutely unnecessary. If Trump and the Republicans were actually serious about illegal immigration, they could end it tomorrow. Yes, tomorrow. How? Make E-Verify mandatory for every single job hire, coupled with sky-high fines for violators. Overnight, millions of illegals would be thrown out of work. They'd have no choice but to go home of their own accord. And nobody in their right mind would bother coming over illegally, since there would be no jobs to be had, unless you were a citizen or had a valid work permit.

So, why won't they do this? It's a system which has proven to be highly effective and would require no time at all to implement. Maybe the whole wall thing is just smoke and mirrors to score votes in the next election? Sigh.
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Dude, you have no clue how many of these illegal aliens work in the "cash" economy in our country. These illegals don't fill out applications or get pay checks. I see it everyday. Go outside and get a real world education. Then come back and tout your useless wall theory.
Thatís not the only thing he is clueless about. Many of these illegals come for all the free chit we give them, never planning to work.
Some people need to leave the basement once in awhile.
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Old 02-14-2019, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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good question




why do the democrats push against e-verify are every turn??
Opposistion toeVerify is as bipartisan as it gets.

Only a handful of states have made eVerify mandatory, sort of.

All have intended loopholes.

Former Florida Governor, Rick Scott campaigned on making eVerify mandatory in Florida. Once elected he forgot about it. He ran for the Senate andTrump rndorced him.

Former longtime Texas Governor, Rick Perry opposed eVerify and the Wall. He clearly understood who buttered his bread. Trump appointed him to his cabinet.

VP Pence was Governor of Indiana and never addressed eVerify.
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Old 02-14-2019, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Aren't most illegals paid cash under the table?? How would e-verify help resolve this??
Testing.

Make a massive spectacle out of employers who donít comply. Seize their assets. Put employers in prison.
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Old Yesterday, 03:33 AM
 
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Good gosh! I can take you around to thousands of job sites around the country where these illegals are getting paid in cash. This has been going on for decades.

Does this answer your question?


"Unauthorized immigrants account for 18 percent of workers in agriculture, 13 percent in construction and 10 percent in leisure and hospitality, according to a 2016 report by the National Bureau of Economic Research. They make up 5 percent of the total private sector workforce and generate 3 percent of gross domestic product. Over 10 years, their departure would cost the economy nearly $5 trillion."




http://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/...206-story.html


Leaving aside E-Verify is based upon government databases that can be (and in a good number of instances) are filled with errors; there is the real nitty-gritty.


Business owners both GOP and DNC depend upon illegal immigrant labor. It is true in New York as it is in Florida, Texas, South Carolina, Alabama and so forth. Remove illegals from the scene and employers will either have to jack up their prices in attempts to find money for higher wages to induce Americans (not always successful), and or simply go out of business for lack of employees.


One of the largest groups hurt across the board would be women. Deprived of "cheap" domestic help they would either have to pay more, or be the ones stuck at home taking care of their own homes, children, elderly parents, and so forth. Oh and Mr. Chuck would have to get up and mow his own lawn and do the landscaping.


In order to remotely make E-Verify work would require a huge undertaking to verify all SS and other databases were correct. Do you know how many Americans/legal aliens under age 65 alone have Social Security numbers. For each that are potentially employable would require some sort of outreach to verify current information is correct.
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Old Yesterday, 05:31 AM
 
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People who are hiring any illegal know it very well that they are hiring illegal. They pay cash and dont bother about e-verify !! Right now, there is hardly any punishment for people who hire illegals. Unless and until you punish them, this problem will continue. They will ignore it even if you make it compulsory.

It is not about illegal. There are Foreign nationals on legitimate visa but they are not eligible to work. But some employers hire them like Student / tourist / dependent visa. They ignore e-verify for them.

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Old Yesterday, 07:02 AM
 
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People who are hiring any illegal know it very well that they are hiring illegal. They pay cash and dont bother about e-verify !! Right now, there is hardly any punishment for people who hire illegals. Unless and until you punish them, this problem will continue. They will ignore it even if you make it compulsory.

It is not about illegal. There are Foreign nationals on legitimate visa but they are not eligible to work. But some employers hire them like Student / tourist / dependent visa. They ignore e-verify for them.

This is not true: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/21/d...out-bread.html


https://ny.eater.com/2017/3/24/15051...workers-queens


https://licpost.com/31-immigrant-wor...protest-begins




And the push back: https://www.crainsnewyork.com/articl...igrant-workers

https://www.eater.com/2017/9/13/1630...rkers-protests


Lather, rinse and repeat....


First and foremost INS, Homeland Security or whatever does not have remotely enough manpower to police every employer. Even if they ramped up inspections and actions to a greater degree it would only put more stress on an immigration/federal court system already overloaded with such cases.


Case in point:


"It is unclear whether the workplace audit was the result of President Donald Trump’s crackdown on undocumented immigrants or a random administrative action by Homeland Security. But the founder of the advocacy group Brandworkers says such enforcement is rare.
"This is the first work place audit of this kind in 11 years in the city of New York," said Daniel Gross, the founder of Brandworkers."


https://www.ny1.com/nyc/queens/news/...security-audit


You can't find what isn't being looked for; and apparently INS or whoever doesn't bother conducting audits of employers that often.

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