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Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Originally Posted by evil leftist dogma
First and foremost, what it's like to have nothing better to do than walk around the desert at night drinking beer, fully armed, with the intentions of stopping those pesky illegal Mexicans from stealing the wheels off my house.
This prooves that your not effected by illegal immigration, with that said, it also shows that you don't have the slightest idea on what this is all about.
If you did know, you wouldn't be asking these questions.
Why don't you read back 30+ years and find out whats been going on in the real world.
Maybe you'll learn something
Well, when your argument relies solely on the absence of fact, I guess "I'm older than you" is an acceptable excuse...
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Originally Posted by mkfarnam
That shows how much you know.
Frankly, you haven't provided any enlightening documentation to justify your distorted views on why your life is unsatisfactory- just a bunch of opinion pieces with a few numbers that give an idea as to the number of illegal immigrants in the US (not how they are affecting it as a whole). When the illegal immigrants are gone, how are you going to misdirect your unhappiness then?
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Originally Posted by evil leftist dogma
Well, when your argument relies solely on the absence of fact, I guess "I'm older than you" is an acceptable excuse...
Frankly, you haven't provided any enlightening documentation to justify your distorted views on why your life is unsatisfactory- just a bunch of opinion pieces with a few numbers that give an idea as to the number of illegal immigrants in the US (not how they are affecting it as a whole). When the illegal immigrants are gone, how are you going to misdirect your unhappiness then?
When I was in the states as a student awhile back, my (American made)ford escort was stolen and crashed into a tree. Bought it with my foreign money, paid for the insurance with money from my home country, and injected quite a bit of money into gas and maintenance for it.
The kid who stole it was a fifth generation American who was a 17 year old high school drop out with two previous grand theft auto charges and a handful of other misdemeanors including assault and petty theft. Pretty funny how his last name wasn't Martinez and he was in the country legally, huh? Guess illegal aliens aren't the only ones who commit crimes and get slaps on the wrists. Never saw a penny of restitution and he saw no time behind bars. And you're worried about illegal aliens working in corn fields?
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Originally Posted by evil leftist dogma
When I was in the states as a student awhile back, my (American made)ford escort was stolen and crashed into a tree. Bought it with my foreign money, paid for the insurance with money from my home country, and injected quite a bit of money into gas and maintenance for it.
The kid who stole it was a fifth generation American who was a 17 year old high school drop out with two previous grand theft auto charges and a handful of other misdemeanors including assault and petty theft. Pretty funny how his last name wasn't Martinez and he was in the country legally, huh? Guess illegal aliens aren't the only ones who commit crimes and get slaps on the wrists. Never saw a penny of restitution and he saw no time behind bars. And you're worried about illegal aliens working in corn fields?
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You're blaming illegal aliens for the government's inability to punish people who do wrong things instead of blaming the government for being too relaxed with repeat offenders. It's very boring, xenophobic and stereotypically neoconservative. You are parodying yourself by being so overdramatic.
This prooves that your not effected by illegal immigration, with that said, it also shows that you don't have the slightest idea on what this is all about.
If you did know, you wouldn't be asking these questions.
Why don't you read back 30+ years and find out whats been going on in the real world.
Maybe you'll learn something
The general idea of exciting and stimulating conversation is the respectful exchange of ideas and opinions. Comments like the one's you made mean what? Sarcasm? Lame attempt at being witty?
Seriously, can you give me specific examples of how peoples lives were ruined by an illegal immigrant?
Can you show me some statistic or study that supports the claim that most illegal immigrants are on some kind of welfare?
MKFARNAM: How has your life been specifically effected by illegal immigration?
I have not stated what my profession is, who I am or not married to, what languages other than English that I speak, or anything else personal about myself, so you cannot assume whether or not an issue effects me. That is just being callow.
But in every thread illegal aliens are compared to and called common felons. I think you once even posted that an illegal alien is a felon just like any other. Why the double standard for the 3 year old illegal immigrant and not the three year old bank robber. NO I DONT KNOW THAT IT IS APPLES AND ORANGES. I STAND BY MY POST AND QUESTION TO YOU AS LEGITIMATE, BASED ON YOUR OWN VERY SPECIFIC PHILOSOPHY CONCERNING THE TREATMENT OF CRIMINALS.
I can safely say that 100% of all illegal aliens age 18 and up are indeed criminals so what is your point?
No! Absolutely not. I think everyone should have to go through the same process, except for those under 18 (maaaaybe 21, since a lot of college kids live with their parents until they graduate and that's not too high of a demographic in this case anyway) whose parents are moving here and spouses. I don't think that brothers or sisters or cousins should be allowed to take advantage of this because they didn't work for it like everyone else has to.
The reason children and spouses should be allowed to is because it is pretty cruel to keep a child from his or her mother and father, or to keep husbands and wives apart. I've been on the other side of that and still am, albeit I am doing everything very legally... it's still very hard for me to live in a place where the person I love is in another country and I can only see her once or twice a year. I can see why that would inspire people to make choices like to immigrate illegally. I agree that what they're doing is in violation of the law... but I find it hard to condemn them or dehumanize them for following a very real and important human emotion.
It's a case by case basis. We already make exceptions for extreme hardship and if this isn't one of those exceptions, I don't know what is. Apparently, other people think so too.
No, I wouldn't. My reality is what drives my sympathy. I'm not saying that these people have rights to what they're taking, and I'm not saying they should do what they're doing. I'm not saying they should get free anything. But in this case, this particular case, it is incredibly insensitive as a culture to ignore this young man's circumstances.
You're marginilizing me now instead of just illegal immigrants. I don't believe in half of what you're saying.
She has an American child and an American husband. She has a home. She is hurting no one. Let her stay. Don't degrade her by treating her like a piece of trash.
I am fine with deporting people who do things that hurt or endanger other people. They should get no consideration, and I've never suggested otherwise.
I am not suggesting illegal immigration as an alternative to legal immigration. What I am suggesting is that when circumstances are as they are here, we should show some compassion and understanding as well as consider the effect on society of just pulling out and deporting someone who has been an upstanding citizen apart from unwittingly having the wrong papers.
Being kind and compassionate and sympathetic is exactly what has gotten us into the mess we are in today. How do you think we ended up with 12+ million illegals?
The US is dealing with a group of people who when given an inch, will take a mile. Each time, every time. You cannot possibly think that if we let this guy stay, we then won't end up having to let a whole bunch of other illegals stay, do you? After all, if we let him stay we can let them stay, too. Why not?
He is 23 years old, for the love of Pete. He should be repatriated to Argentina and if he wishes to return to the US, he can apply through the legal channels. Just like everybody else is expected to do.
Being kind and compassionate and sympathetic is exactly what has gotten us into the mess we are in today. How do you think we ended up with 12+ million illegals?
The US is dealing with a group of people who when given an inch, will take a mile. Each time, every time. You cannot possibly think that if we let this guy stay, we then won't end up having to let a whole bunch of other illegals stay, do you? After all, if we let him stay we can let them stay, too. Why not?
He is 23 years old, for the love of Pete. He should be repatriated to Argentina and if he wishes to return to the US, he can apply through the legal channels. Just like everybody else is expected to do.
You know that and I know that; but, the pro illegal apologists tend to have the emotional maturity of young children---------which in part reflects the mentality of a typical Third World country.
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