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Old 02-14-2012, 10:18 PM
 
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Everyone has had to look for work at some point
You don't get ahead by whining about opportunity not finding you. You need to find it.
Yeah tell that to the guys at my last factory that have been working there since 1968. Btw, not whining here. Just questioning. Perhaps your area's job market is better so you can say things like that. Or you havent reached desperation yet. And i dont care how good of a powerpoint presentation you can muster up or how many apps your ipad has on it. Showing up to work on time, doing what youre told, and working hard & putting out quality work should always be what employers look for.

But thats neither here nor there. The topic is why have a lot of places (at least in my area) that use to want applications now want a resume or a resume attached to your application.
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Old 02-14-2012, 10:26 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Hard as it may seem, the guys at the closed factory need to retool, and add more skills to their resumes. the days of screwing bolts A and B together 35 years are over. Nothing will change that, so they can adapt, or they can render themselves obsolete.

No one I've ever met has not had periods where they had to retool. the good news is, those who adapt, will truly, find themselves stronger than ever.due to periods where they struggled.
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Old 02-14-2012, 10:31 PM
 
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Thats not outsourcing. Outsourcing is when the place you work at decides it can save a bunch of money in taxes or whatever else by packing up and going to some other country and telling you "Oh im sure youll find another job one of these days". Big difference between that and hiring someone to fix your furnace.
Outsourcing is any work done by an outside vendor. The example you gave is "offshoring" which is a form of outsourcing. Hiring someone to fix your furnace is a type of outsourcing that is not offshoring.

Any company that utilizes a temp agency or consulting firm is outsourcing work.
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Old 02-14-2012, 10:33 PM
 
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Yeah tell that to the guys at my last factory that have been working there since 1968. Btw, not whining here. Just questioning. Perhaps your area's job market is better so you can say things like that. Or you havent reached desperation yet. And i dont care how good of a powerpoint presentation you can muster up or how many apps your ipad has on it. Showing up to work on time, doing what youre told, and working hard & putting out quality work should always be what employers look for.

But thats neither here nor there. The topic is why have a lot of places (at least in my area) that use to want applications now want a resume or a resume attached to your application.
What do you feel is the barrier limiting those folks from getting a job today?
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:15 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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Well here's how I look at it. In my entire life, from the lowest level positions (a fast food place) to the highest level positions (speech pathologist) I've ever applied for, I've ALWAYS included my resume w/ my application. I WANT to stand out & show them what skills I have that makes me different. I don't want to just hand in an application & that's it. That's a person's only opportunity to make that good 1st imporession & hopefully get called for an interview & get hired.
I reposted the above so everyone knows how I feel about submitting resumes.

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I heard nowadays some grocery stores and fast food places are conducting multiple rounds of interviews (they want you to wear a suit), aptitude tests and psych-eval test for bagging clerk/ take out attendant type jobs etc. Ridiculous.
I agree that's going a little too far just for that.

I remember back in 1993, I was 18 & applying for my 1st job ever. One of the places I applied at was Carl's Jr. I like submitting resumes like I said above, so I definitely turned one in to them too. I had to pass a total of 2 interviews even way back then to get the job. I wore a suit for sure because I also believe in always dressing your best in a suit, no matter what the position's for. I don't care if it's for a custodian, garbage man, etc.
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:17 AM
 
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Outsourcing is any work done by an outside vendor. The example you gave is "offshoring" which is a form of outsourcing. Hiring someone to fix your furnace is a type of outsourcing that is not offshoring.

Any company that utilizes a temp agency or consulting firm is outsourcing work.
We dont call it that here. Whether a job is sent to Alabama or taiwan, we call it outsourcing. Its all the same to us around here.
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:23 AM
 
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outsourcing noun - definition in Business English Dictionary - Cambridge Dictionary Online
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:23 AM
 
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I reposted the above so everyone knows how I feel about submitting resumes.



I agree that's going a little too far just for that.

I remember back in 1993, I was 18 & applying for my 1st job ever. One of the places I applied at was Carl's Jr. I like submitting resumes like I said above, so I definitely turned one in to them too. I had to pass a total of 2 interviews even way back then to get the job. I wore a suit for sure because I also believe in always dressing your best in a suit, no matter what the position's for. I don't care if it's for a custodian, garbage man, etc.
You had a suit at the age of 18?!?!? Im 40 and ive never even tried on a suit let alone own one. When i turned 18 my family was lucky to be able to afford a pair of wranglers.
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:34 AM
 
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You had a suit at the age of 18?!?!? Im 40 and ive never even tried on a suit let alone own one. When i turned 18 my family was lucky to be able to afford a pair of wranglers.
Oh, well, I'm sorry about your family life growing up. Sure, I had a suit. My advice to ANYONE applying for ANY work is to get at least 1 nice, dark-colored professional suit for interview purposes. It doens't have to be expensive, extravagant, etc.

So I got tht Carl's Jr. job back then. It was a newly built location & I ended up working there for 1 & a 1/2 yrs throughout the beginning of starting college. Even back then, applying for my 1st ever job, I had taken retail/marketing R.O.P training while in high school, so I was already aheadof the game & had some kind of experience to put on my resume.
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:38 AM
 
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What do you feel is the barrier limiting those folks from getting a job today?
Well I can tell you a lot of businesses are wanting quantity and not quality. I've lost count to the number of jobs I've not received because during the interview I told them I'm a work perfectionist. I take my time and do the job right the first time and strive to give the customer an item that will last for years and years. Apparently though those ppl that want to throw crap together that might work for a week or 2 before falling apart in the blink of an eye so that they can go back to sitting on their butts texting their friends are the ones getting the jobs these days.
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