On My 3rd Interview: Employer Asking for Recent Paystub (references, career, compensation)
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The implied threat is bring your pay-stub or we won't consider you for the position.
Exactly, and just me but it would be a deal breaker.
Some people seem to forget a job interview is a two way street(maybe the exception being if you're laid off, UE ran out, and your funds are drying up). But that is not the case with the OP.
Sorry, if they're insisting on a pay stub what is it like to work there? Doctor's note every time you call in sick?
No thanks.
And what you made at the last position shouldn't matter.
Agreed imagine you went to a car dealership and the dealer demanded to see statements on all your savings accounts and income. And of course you owe the dealer complete honesty because like businesses, car dealers never behave unethically.
I take it you've never applied for a car loan or a mortgage?
What the company is doing is a long time practice by many hiring managers, asking you to bring a recent pay stub for 2 reasons.
1: Proof you really work there, without having to call to verify.
2: To verify you tell them the truth. The figure if a person will lie about their income, that they will lie about other things, and this one of the easiest ways to prove if your are being truthful with them or telling them lies.
Kind of a test of your character.
LOL...utter nonsense. Why do you think there are HR depts?
To use your logic instead of making a simple phone call and verifying that the person worked there, bring in a pay stub, that pretty much any 12 year old these days could make on the computer.
Oh those pesky phone calls, takes under 5 minutes to make the call and ask the questions. You know find out for real if this individual actually did work at said company.
That would be like buying a car from someone by looking at a picture of the car that they showed you, instead of seeing the actual car and making sure they really owned it and you took it out for a test drive.
You don't verify employment by looking at a pay stub the potential employee brings you.
Part of finding a job is fitting in. All the managers on this forum love to talk about fit.
Well if the company is lying, cheating, demanding stuff they have no right to then you should do the same. That is fitting in and being a team player.
lol. In some offices it really is like that, the company is shady or is involved in evil business practices, the most successful people in the company are sociopathic liars, so why would a job applicant to a company like that need to be 100% honest?
For instance, maybe the boss is married but is cheating with his secretary, and others in the office know about it? Even though the office policy is no office romances? Don't expect everyone working there to behave honestly then. They are already living in denial and actively avoiding an elephant in the room every day while trying to do their jobs. Similar with a business or company that behaves unethically.
the problem seems to just solve itself where really honest people are instantly repulsed by what they encounter throughout the interviewing and on-boarding process.
Of course I do. If a company is full of backstabbers, and sociopaths how well will an honest person with a strict moral code fit in? Why he could be a whistle-blower or worse.
This is about empowering workers. You beet the companies at their own game. They know exactly what they can get away with and every sleazy loophole to increase their profits and that is the extent of their moral compass,. Money and the law. It is such a farce that there is an expectation on job applicants that they should behave any better.
A lot of posters have this attitude. They recommend that you lie to get a job. They say to evade questions. They say how evil companies are.
Fact: Companies are looking to eliminate this kind of applicant. They do a pretty good job of it, and we see poster after poster that say they do these things, and wonder why they cannot get a job.
When I acted as HM, I have seen this many times over the years. You learn to weed out those types, and try to save hiring them, and fire them during or at the end of the probationary period. It is normal, that the honest cooperative applicants get jobs, while the liars and company haters do not.
You do not have to bring in a current pay stub, and the company does not have to offer you a job. If you cannot do such a simple thing, then they consider you would have the same type of attitude on the job and do not want you as an employee. It is not the company that puts your application into the reject pile, you are the one that does it by not cooperating with the company.
OP, you said that if you don't get the job it's not a big deal. So, just don't bring the pay stub. If that is a deal breaker for them, I say you dodged a bullet. Their offer should have no connection to the previous salary. They should offer you what you are worth to them based on the market. If they can't judge your value they shouldn't be in business.
I don't care for the attitude some have expressed that these companies/HR depts. are somehow "better" than the job applicants and are "weeding" out the bad ones, or are owed some kind of allegiance or truth.
Companies lie all the time, manipulate and mistreat employees, and break rules and laws.
Business is business, it's not personal. As an employee you should bargain to get the best deal and I assure you the company will take you for whatever they can.
A lot of posters have this attitude. They recommend that you lie to get a job. They say to evade questions. They say how evil companies are.
Fact: Companies are looking to eliminate this kind of applicant. They do a pretty good job of it, and we see poster after poster that say they do these things, and wonder why they cannot get a job.
When I acted as HM, I have seen this many times over the years. You learn to weed out those types, and try to save hiring them, and fire them during or at the end of the probationary period. It is normal, that the honest cooperative applicants get jobs, while the liars and company haters do not.
You do not have to bring in a current pay stub, and the company does not have to offer you a job. If you cannot do such a simple thing, then they consider you would have the same type of attitude on the job and do not want you as an employee. It is not the company that puts your application into the reject pile, you are the one that does it by not cooperating with the company.
And I suppose this is why I have a good job, and a salary I want... Because they weed out ambitious people like myself
I'm not undermining the the hiring process, I'm just avoiding a hard rule I know some places have with certain percentage raises. I'm hardly doing anything but slightly exaggerating to their HR department, and overall my slightly increased pay will have ZERO affect to this company, but will have a significant affect on me.
OP, you said that if you don't get the job it's not a big deal. So, just don't bring the pay stub. If that is a deal breaker for them, I say you dodged a bullet. Their offer should have no connection to the previous salary. They should offer you what you are worth to them based on the market. If they can't judge your value they shouldn't be in business.
I don't care for the attitude some have expressed that these companies/HR depts. are somehow "better" than the job applicants and are "weeding" out the bad ones, or are owed some kind of allegiance or truth.
Companies lie all the time, manipulate and mistreat employees, and break rules and laws.
Business is business, it's not personal. As an employee you should bargain to get the best deal and I assure you the company will take you for whatever they can.
Ya I have it printed out and ready to bring but haven't decided if I want to show them or not if asked. Who knows, they may not even ask for it. Tricky thing is I also have to fill out my salary on the application form so I have to decide what I'm doing and stick to it.
This company has seemed quite stringent in a lot of ways and to be honest I'm not sure if I'm willing to go from the relaxed environment I'm in currently to have a place that's like this. Another reason why I'm only considering it if it's a significant pay bump. And again, the only way to hit the 95k mark is to slightly exaggerate.
And the company will wonder what else you exaggerate on,
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