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Do you or did you work for a public or private company? Perhaps you can argue that a paystub is company proprietary information. It's a long shot.
You can also indicate that the disparity in salary between what is listed is due to other benefits, which may indeed be true - 25% of a workers pay is in the form of benefits (vacation, insurance, pension, 401K match, sick leave, etc). Regardless, just looking at salary alone is a mistake anyways.
I never recommend people disclose current salary in interviews, even if they ask - you can always walk around the question. We had a recruiter posting here once that disagreed with me. I answered "of course you disagree - YOU are the enemy".
What the company is doing is a long time practice by many hiring managers, asking you to bring a recent pay stub for 2 reasons.
1: Proof you really work there, without having to call to verify.
2: To verify you tell them the truth. The figure if a person will lie about their income, that they will lie about other things, and this one of the easiest ways to prove if your are being truthful with them or telling them lies.
Part of finding a job is fitting in. All the managers on this forum love to talk about fit.
Well if the company is lying, cheating, demanding stuff they have no right to then you should do the same. That is fitting in and being a team player.
If that is your definition, it is obvious that you have no clue.
If you put as much effort into changing your attitude as you do into hating employers (who could care less about your ire) you wouldn't have so many bitter posts on this board.
If that is your definition, it is obvious that you have no clue.
Of course I do. If a company is full of backstabbers, and sociopaths how well will an honest person with a strict moral code fit in? Why he could be a whistle-blower or worse.
This is about empowering workers. You beet the companies at their own game. They know exactly what they can get away with and every sleazy loophole to increase their profits and that is the extent of their moral compass,. Money and the law. It is such a farce that there is an expectation on job applicants that they should behave any better.
What the company is doing is a long time practice by many hiring managers, asking you to bring a recent pay stub for 2 reasons.
1: Proof you really work there, without having to call to verify.
2: To verify you tell them the truth. The figure if a person will lie about their income, that they will lie about other things, and this one of the easiest ways to prove if your are being truthful with them or telling them lies.
Kind of a test of your character.
What are some ways for the applicant to test the character of the interviewer? How do we detect lies from them?
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I would never bring my current pay stub. I'm a professional, you can compensate me or not. What offer I chose to except before does nothing except lower your bargaining power. This is business.
What the company is doing is a long time practice by many hiring managers, asking you to bring a recent pay stub for 2 reasons.
1: Proof you really work there, without having to call to verify.
2: To verify you tell them the truth. The figure if a person will lie about their income, that they will lie about other things, and this one of the easiest ways to prove if your are being truthful with them or telling them lies.
Kind of a test of your character.
Bullsh$t When you go to buy a car and the dealer says how much can you afford (chuckling to himself)? - do you TELL HIM?! OMG - I sure hope you don't tell him what you're willing to pay! In any negotiation that is your most important thing to conceal! Because it is what the car is WORTH - not how much YOU CAN PAY or what you're willing to pay - you want the lowest price!
This is a business negotiation where my current compensation is not relevant - whatever the market can bear is what the salary should be - if the job is worth $100k and I can do it, then it doesn't matter if I was paid $50k or $75k in my prior job - they are trying to lowball me by asking.
There's one born every day, and nice guys finish last.
Try checking your HR/Payroll pay portal or whatever version of Employee Self Service your company has. I just checked mine really quick and there is a "Total Compensation Statement" that shows total compensation for the year. Mine adds about $20k between retirement matches, medical, dental, and my actual salary, etc. It is a professional looking printable page with the company logo on it.
Bullsh$t When you go to buy a car and the dealer says how much can you afford (chuckling to himself)? - do you TELL HIM?! OMG - I sure hope you don't tell him what you're willing to pay! In any negotiation that is your most important thing to conceal! Because it is what the car is WORTH - not how much YOU CAN PAY or what you're willing to pay - you want the lowest price!
This is a business negotiation where my current compensation is not relevant - whatever the market can bear is what the salary should be - if the job is worth $100k and I can do it, then it doesn't matter if I was paid $50k or $75k in my prior job - they are trying to lowball me by asking.
There's one born every day, and nice guys finish last.
Agreed imagine you went to a car dealership and the dealer demanded to see statements on all your savings accounts and income. And of course you owe the dealer complete honesty because like businesses, car dealers never behave unethically.
What the company is doing is a long time practice by many hiring managers, asking you to bring a recent pay stub for 2 reasons.
1: Proof you really work there, without having to call to verify.
2: To verify you tell them the truth. The figure if a person will lie about their income, that they will lie about other things, and this one of the easiest ways to prove if your are being truthful with them or telling them lies.
Kind of a test of your character.
I disagree.
It's not a hiring manager practice. It might be an HR practice or policy.
I know that as a HM, I've never asked for a paystub nor any of the HR depts in the companies I worked for -- and these are medium to large tech companies.
I have asked candidates who are currently employed what their current salaries are just to see if we're even in the ballpark.
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