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"I don't see that as relevant. This amount is what I require to come work for your company."
This. I don't get why the new company thinks it's entitled to know your current salary. It's private information. Don't forge anything, just don't provide the paystub or block the numbers.
I NEVER show anyone pay stubs. It's none of their business. There's far more personal information on the stub than just your salary. They can see everything you're paying for and how much. Salary negotiations don't need pay stubs. I've worked in HR and never asked to see pay stubs. Neither myself nor my husband has ever showed them either. Don't think either one of us has ever been asked. I know I would not show them though. It's my business. No one else.
If I get asked to show a paystub at a job, I say they are documents which I normally don't print due to security purposes and leave it at that. If they aren't going to hire me over personal information fears, odds are they aren't the company for me.
This. I don't get why the new company thinks it's entitled to know your current salary. It's private information. Don't forge anything, just don't provide the paystub or block the numbers.
The thing is several companies do ask on applications. I don't really have a problem with that honestly. They don't ask for hours just full time or part-time status
Any company ascinine enough to demand pay-stubs deserves to be lied to. I've had it up to here with the assertion some people constantly make on this forum that as an applicant you have to adhere to some high and absolute moral code while the companies play as dirty as ISIS. They have set the standard that anything you can get away with goes so that is what you should do as well... play by their rules.
A company asking for something is not being unethical or dishonest.
An applicant lying about something is being unethical and dishonest.
If an applicant disapproves of the company asking for something, man up and say so. Don't try to lie like a little kid and try to get away with it.
The trouble with lying is that you have to remember the lies, which is impossible in the long run, if you stay with the person/company you lied to. It also is likely you'll have to lie more in teh future to cover up the previous lie (see the OP's suggestion about fraudently forging a fake paycheck stub).
There is no data to suggest that lying about one's former salary gets you any more of a salary at the new company. There IS data to suggest that plenty of applicants get caught lying, though.
Why does the company ask for paycheck stubs? It suspects an applicant is lying and/or has caught applicants lying before. If the OP doesn't turn in the paycheck stub, they will know he was probably lying....he will not get the job. Not a well thought out plan by the applicant. How naiive.
I NEVER show anyone pay stubs. It's none of their business. There's far more personal information on the stub than just your salary. They can see everything you're paying for and how much. Salary negotiations don't need pay stubs. I've worked in HR and never asked to see pay stubs. Neither myself nor my husband has ever showed them either. Don't think either one of us has ever been asked. I know I would not show them though. It's my business. No one else.
That's a very good point, they would see if your paying child support, or having your wages garneshed, or have a 401k loan .... never thought of that .
A company asking for something is not being unethical or dishonest.
An applicant lying about something is being unethical and dishonest.
If an applicant disapproves of the company asking for something, man up and say so. Don't try to lie like a little kid and try to get away with it.
The trouble with lying is that you have to remember the lies, which is impossible in the long run, if you stay with the person/company you lied to. It also is likely you'll have to lie more in teh future to cover up the previous lie (see the OP's suggestion about fraudently forging a fake paycheck stub).
There is no data to suggest that lying about one's former salary gets you any more of a salary at the new company. There IS data to suggest that plenty of applicants get caught lying, though.
Why does the company ask for paycheck stubs? It suspects an applicant is lying and/or has caught applicants lying before. If the OP doesn't turn in the paycheck stub, they will know he was probably lying....he will not get the job. Not a well thought out plan by the applicant. How naiive.
It's amazing how childish some people are. "The company does it, so I can too! So there!"
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
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