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So we see that the Biblical stories of our ancestors do not show that Jewishness was passed along by the father or by the mother. There is no evidence of it at all.
"Your not liking a conclusion is not a good enough reason to ignore the logic and attack people.
One has to be Jewish according to Jewish Law.
....Then do it the right way. Do it the Torah way."
"Your not liking a conclusion is not a good enough reason to ignore the logic and attack people.
One has to be Jewish according to Jewish Law.
....do it the right way. Do it the Torah way."
This is the only thing that was in your response that was on that site, "do it the right way. Do it the Torah way."...You are the only one attacking people...I've done it the Torah way, sooo....
But here is something that you might have missed in that article...
For that matter, why wasn't Ishmael Jewish? His father was Abraham. Yet only Isaac became the ancestor of the Jews. Was it because Isaac's mother (Sarah) was Jewish, and Ishmael's mother (Hagar) was not? No, that is not the reason. It was because Isaac chose to serve Hashem, and Ishmael did not.
But according to you, Sheila, since you say that being Jewish is passed along by the father, Ishmael should also have been Jewish. Yet he was not. Apparently, being Jewish was passed along some other way. Was it through the mother? No, it wasn't that either, and I'll prove it.
Let's look at the next generation. Why was Jacob Jewish, when Esau was not? They both had the same mother, and the same father! The reason is because Jacob served Hashem, and Esau did not, and thus Hashem chose Jacob, but did not choose Esau.
All of Jacob's children served Hashem, and therefore Hashem chose all of them.
So we see that the Biblical stories of our ancestors do not show that Jewishness was passed along by the father or by the mother. There is no evidence of it at all. - Who is a Jew, according to the Torah?
So, apparently it is not through the mother or the father but through one's willingness to serve HaShem...
"Your not liking a conclusion is not a good enough reason to ignore the logic and attack people.
One has to be Jewish according to Jewish Law.
....Then do it the right way. Do it the Torah way."
It is interesting that you included your own words as part of the quote from the website as if they came from the website, which they did not...Do you really think people will not check it?...That is a down-right insult and basically calling people here stupid, which is not nice...
It is interesting that you included your own words as part of the quote from the website as if they came from the website, which they did not.
Richard, what I put in my post is verbatim from the article that you yourself provided a link to, see:
paragraph 6, line 4
paragraph 12, line 3
next to last paragraph, lines 2-3 Who is a Jew?
and the article you posted is an excellent example of why the "Bible stories" alone are not enough and illustrates beautifully how the halacha is derived.
"The original and current Jewish definition of a born Jew is someone whose mother is Jewish."
paragraph 8, line 1
"And do not write me and insist that I am creating my own interpretation of the verses. I am telling you what the Rabbis say in the Talmud, and how they proved the meanings of the verses."
paragraph 5, lines 1-2
[how cool is that! just like the axe handle, i read that this week: 'From the very forest itself comes the handle of the axe that fells it.']
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