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Arizona has a same sex marriage ban. Arizona has very strict reproductive sanctions on women as well. I would hardly call them free. Well, the government is really small there, small enough to fit in the bedroom.
Yeah I honestly associate "oppressiveness" with same sex marriage and abortion bans. Obviously that's not the case in Nassau county, I was just interested if anyone here was actually being oppressed.
Ex- police brutality, discrimination, etc
Arizona has a same sex marriage ban. Arizona has very strict reproductive sanctions on women as well. I would hardly call them free"
So do a lot of other states, personally I could care less about same sex marriage one way or the other. As for abortion? What about the rights of the unborn? Don't they have the freedom to live? What about their right to choose? I don't believe abortion should be a form of birth control. Other than rape or incest, what about self control?
grilba:
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So do a lot of other states, personally I could care less about same sex marriage one way or the other. As for abortion? What about the rights of the unborn? Don't they have the freedom to live? What about their right to choose? I don't believe abortion should be a form of birth control. Other than rape or incest, what about self control?
Same argument with gun laws, no? Wht about the rights of any gun victim? Opressive laws always use such arguments. It boggles the mind when supposedly small government people start spouting the party line, which is little corporate control, huge personal control. See by your argument, why should I care about gun rights if I don't own a gun?
Indeed it is! You provided excellent examples. I'm just so glad I live in Arizona! We really do not have to put up with any of that BS. Guess what? We're doing just fine without it. People aren't out blowing each other away over stupid little arguments as some would have you believe because we have lenient gun laws, that is for those who can legally possess firearms. Out here we are a "right to work" state and the public employee's union's do not have a stranglehold on our state legislature. Our property taxes, a whopping $1500 a year on a 2000 sq. ft. home haven't increased not one dime in four years. I just don't understand how they do it? How can we possibly get by without all that government spending and interference in our personal lives? Fortunately, out here people are not willing to relinquish their personal freedoms at the hands of unscrupulous government officials and petty little laws and regulations that only serve to drive people and businesses out. I know you are homesick for your friends and family back on Long Island, but I hope things are starting to get better for you in NC, you really don't deserve to be living in New York. You sound like a freedom loving American, and there's nothing like the taste of freedom!
Same argument with gun laws, no? Wht about the rights of any gun victim? Opressive laws always use such arguments. It boggles the mind when supposedly small government people start spouting the party line, which is little corporate control, huge personal control. See by your argument, why should I care about gun rights if I don't own a gun?
I wonder why it is that some of the places with the strictest gun laws have the most gun violence.
gun laws are about as effective as the war on drugs.
I'm pretty economically liberal and my husband is a socialist (Canadian) so we think high taxes are, in theory, a good thing. I also think home school, gun and cigarette regulations are preferable to none.
I was wondering if there was actually oppression. I would like to know before closing.
I wonder why it is that some of the places with the strictest gun laws have the most gun violence.
gun laws are about as effective as the war on drugs.
I highly doubt that quote is true, unless you are talking about places like Chicago, which of course are strict on guns, but are surrounded by gun friendly areas.
At any rate, I think the war on drugs is useless, and I have no real opinion on gun control. Considering the amount of weaponry in even NY I don't see too much infringement on that, but then again I have not looked into it.
No offense intended but I'm glad you enjoy living in a controlled "nanny state" you are in the right place. You'll forgive me but I just don't understand how anyone would want every aspect of their lives controlled by greedy self serving politicians who prostitute themselves for some crummy little political office. They are not "Good People" they are control freaks. I think it was Ben Franklin who coined the phrase: "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." You certainly don't sound like an independent, or maybe you just don't know what you believe in. I'm glad you enjoy it out there and hope that you never plan on moving, at least not out here, we kind of like it just the way it is. Oh by the way I don't smoke, never have it's a repulsive habit. I can understand not allowing it in public buildings as it does affect others. Can't do it out here either. But taxing the Hell out of it only creates a black market, and people who smoke are so addicted to it will continue to do so. If the health risks are not enough to get them to quit, I don't see how taxing it will. Just another scheme by government to get more money to fill the cesspool of corruption.
No offense Ex but this whole "nanny state" preaching of yours gets ridiculous after awhile. The OP was asking to compare the level of conservatism from Brooklyn Heights to Long Island. How on earth is Arizona and it's ridiculous faux "freedoms" relevant at all?! Jan Brewer styled racist whack jobbery and Sheriff Arpaio's (who I like) ideas of rehabilitation make any "oppression" in NY look timid. Don't worry, your utopia will see change if it wants to survive and has plenty of it's own issues from Medicaid funding (a "TAX?!", "no it's just an assessment" yeah right), campaign finance abuse, domestic violence (those lax gun laws are great until drunk Cletus doesn't obey his restraining order), redistricting battles, gay rights, abortion, the Mexican "problem, the Meth problem, the coming drinking water problem. The schools where graduation rates are plummeting as they gut funding. Yup, we pay through the nose but at least we've got 90% graduating. Yeah, Arizona has it's positives and plenty of negative and plenty to work out. Same as New York, which is still consistently one of the top 5 places to live in the civilized world. I'm glad you're happy and found "where you belong." But seriously, we're talking about Brooklyn vs LI, not Tucson vs Long Island. Clearly the OP is interested in NY. Oh yeah, it's also hot as a mofo in AZ. But it's a dry heat.
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grilba:
No. What about the rights of any crime victim? Guns don't kill people on their own, deal with the individual who pulls the trigger. Depriving people of a viable means of self defense through a bureaucratic nightmare creates even more victims. We already have laws that address the criminal or negligent mis-use of firearms. I'm not arguing against those. The 2nd Amendment is indeed an individual civil right not related to service in a militia and applies to weapons that are in common use today.--- Heller and McDonald. "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." No where in the bill of rights does it read "the right of a women to have an abortion shall not be infringed" In Roe v Wade the Supreme Court added that so called "right" under the 14th Amendment's privacy clause
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“nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” Constitutionally, the issue of abortion can be boiled down to whether or not the unborn fall under the Constitution’s definition of “any person.--www.justfactsdaily.com/abortion-and-the-constitution”
Perhaps that could be argued at a later date.
There are no reproductive sanctions in Arizona against women. Unless you mean taxpayer funded contraceptives? Why should taxpayers have to fund a persons lifestyle choices?
Why should I care about abortion rights if I don't have an abortion?
Isn't Arizona the state with the private prisons and high incarceration rates to feed those prisons? Home of the free.
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