City of L.A now forcing Farmer's Market vendors to accept EBT (Jackson: credit, unemployed)

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Howiester

A wild pseudo-intellectual appears!

With more correct information you could have looked up. You're welcome.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

You are apparently ignorant as to the nature of the "food stamp" program. It is a Department of Agriculture program, not a welfare program. It was designed, and remains, a way to subsidze farmers and keep them in the farming business. Bonus: it helps the poor barely stay fed - which is one way it got sold as a farm subsidy program: added value.

Yes. You can look that up.

If it keeps the poor barely feed, why do so many sell their EBT for about 67 cents on the dollar?

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

If it keeps the poor barely feed, why do so many sell their EBT for about 67 cents on the dollar?

SNAP, "food stamp", fraud runs between 1.3% - 3%, varying some from year to year,. If you want to call that: "so many" selling their stamps for discounts on the dollar, knock yourself out.

(I am enjoying the way you and Howiester and others question my facts and statistics so much I am not providing links. This way I get to revisit triumphantly after you object, painting yourselves further and further into little corners. Of course, you guys could look this stuff up before shooting from the hip - and save yourselves frustration and embarrasment.)

[quixotic59]

Originally Posted by Howiester

Yes, it's win win for people to use taxpayer-funded food stamps to buy expensive food.

Who cares though? It's other people's money!

Free market, baby, if you don't want to pay US taxes, move.

First it was screwing over the holy "business owner" and now the equally holy "taxpayer".

Here's how it works in AMERICA:

1) You are a citizen.

2) You vote for elected officials.

3) You pay taxes.

4) The elected officials decide how they will spend your taxes.

5) You don't get to decide who selectively does and does not benefit from those tax funded programs based on your personal prejudices.

And before you go off about our taxes:

"No, the U.S. is not a high-tax country. But saying exactly how not-high-tax we are gets a little tricky.

The graph at the top of this article comes from a KPMG report excavated by Henry Blodget. It shows personal tax rates on $100,000 around the world. The U.S. comes in at 55th out of 114.

As for the richest one or two percentiles of earners, we come in at practically the same place: 53rd-highest. Reminder: The fiscal-cliff tax hike kicks in about $100,000 above this level.

But these numbers might understate how low taxes have been in the U.S. Unlike most advanced economies, the U.S. don't supplement personal income taxes with a national sales tax, or value-added tax (VAT). Consumption taxes accounted for about a fifth of total U.S. revenue in 2008 (mostly at the state and local level) compared to an OECD average of 32 percent. In other words, the U.S. relies uniquely on personal tax rates to raise revenue -- and we have relatively low personal tax rates.

The best way to answer the question "Are U.S. taxes high or low compared to other countries?" is to look at taxes as a share of the economy. Here's how the U.S. stacks up to other OECD countries in a graph from the Tax Policy Center. (We're at the bottom of the stack, 25 percent below the average.)"

"Q.How do US taxes compare internationally?
A.Total tax revenue equaled 24 percent of gross domestic product (GDP), well below the 34 percent average for developed countries."

"We wondered how Americans’ tax bills compare with those of people in other countries. While cross-national comparisons of tax burdens are complicated and tricky, most research has concluded that, at least among developed nations, the U.S. is on the low end of the range."

SO, yeah, it's win win to give the poor a chance to buy some decent food and increase the revenue of farmer's markets.

[Cream1]

Originally Posted by quixotic59

Free market, baby, if you don't want to pay US taxes, move.

First it was screwing over the holy "business owner" and now the equally holy "taxpayer".

Here's how it works in AMERICA:

1) You are a citizen.

2) You vote for elected officials.

3) You pay taxes.

4) The elected officials decide how they will spend your taxes.

5) You don't get to decide who selectively does and does not benefit from those tax funded programs based on your personal prejudices.

And before you go off about our taxes:

"No, the U.S. is not a high-tax country. But saying exactly how not-high-tax we are gets a little tricky.

The graph at the top of this article comes from a KPMG report excavated by Henry Blodget. It shows personal tax rates on $100,000 around the world. The U.S. comes in at 55th out of 114.

As for the richest one or two percentiles of earners, we come in at practically the same place: 53rd-highest. Reminder: The fiscal-cliff tax hike kicks in about $100,000 above this level.

But these numbers might understate how low taxes have been in the U.S. Unlike most advanced economies, the U.S. don't supplement personal income taxes with a national sales tax, or value-added tax (VAT). Consumption taxes accounted for about a fifth of total U.S. revenue in 2008 (mostly at the state and local level) compared to an OECD average of 32 percent. In other words, the U.S. relies uniquely on personal tax rates to raise revenue -- and we have relatively low personal tax rates.

The best way to answer the question "Are U.S. taxes high or low compared to other countries?" is to look at taxes as a share of the economy. Here's how the U.S. stacks up to other OECD countries in a graph from the Tax Policy Center. (We're at the bottom of the stack, 25 percent below the average.)"

"Q.How do US taxes compare internationally?
A.Total tax revenue equaled 24 percent of gross domestic product (GDP), well below the 34 percent average for developed countries."

"We wondered how Americans’ tax bills compare with those of people in other countries. While cross-national comparisons of tax burdens are complicated and tricky, most research has concluded that, at least among developed nations, the U.S. is on the low end of the range."

SO, yeah, it's win win to give the poor a chance to buy some decent food and increase the revenue of farmer's markets.

Just because we HAVE to pay taxes doesn't mean that the money should be spent on certain things. Use your brain.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Howiester

Just because we HAVE to pay taxes doesn't mean that the money should be spent on certain things. Use your brain.

He just did. Your turn next.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

SNAP, "food stamp", fraud runs between 1.3% - 3%, varying some from year to year,. If you want to call that: "so many" selling their stamps for discounts on the dollar, knock yourself out.

(I am enjoying the way you and Howiester and others question my facts and statistics so much I am not providing links. This way I get to revisit triumphantly after you object, painting yourselves further and further into little corners. Of course, you guys could look this stuff up before shooting from the hip - and save yourselves frustration and embarrasment.)

I see how so many hungry, starving/emaciated EBT customers in Miami basically used grocery stores as banks. We paid the fees. It's a win-win, and the local economy is stimulated - YAY! But that American taxpayer be damned.

$13M food stamp scheme busted; 22 people charged | Miami Herald

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

I see how so many hungry, starving/emaciated EBT customers in Miami basically used grocery stores as banks. We paid the fees. It's a win-win, and the local economy is stimulated - YAY! But that American taxpayer be damned.

$13M food stamp scheme busted; 22 people charged | Miami Herald

And they are probably more aggressive with cracking down on that in Florida
In CA they would find a way to spin it that it was " discriminatory " or " harmful to families " if they were aggressive about cracking down on welfare fraud

[quixotic59]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

I see how so many hungry, starving/emaciated EBT customers in Miami basically used grocery stores as banks. We paid the fees. It's a win-win, and the local economy is stimulated - YAY! But that American taxpayer be damned.

$13M food stamp scheme busted; 22 people charged | Miami Herald

"“Instead of sheltering profits in the Cayman Islands and other offshore tax havens, the largest corporations in this country must pay their fair share of taxes so that our country has the revenue we need to rebuild America and reduce the deficit. At a time when corporations are making record-breaking profits, while the middle class is disappearing and senior poverty is on the rise, the last thing we should be doing is giving huge tax breaks to profitable corporations that don’t need it,” Sanders said.

In the new report, Sanders documents how the Business Roundtable continues to lobby for lower corporate taxes for companies that have shifted U.S. profits offshore, while advocating for deep cuts to Social Security and Medicare for some of the most vulnerable Americans.

Specifically, the report finds that of the 201 companies represented by the Business Roundtable:

One-hundred eleven of them have subsidiaries in offshore tax havens.


These 111 corporations are officially holding more than $1 trillion in profits offshore where they are not subject to U.S. taxes.


Eighty-one of these profitable corporations collectively pocketed $188 billion in income tax breaks during a 5-year period.


Ten of these corporations not only paid nothing in federal income taxes but collected tax rebate checks from the government.

Sanders concluded, “It is an outrage that the CEOs of the largest and most profitable corporations in this country are calling for even more tax breaks to help themselves while, at the same time, are advocating for huge cuts to Social Security and Medicare and other programs that help working families. While the middle-class of this country is disappearing and millions of working families are struggling economically, the clear goal of the Business Roundtable is to make the rich even richer at the expense of everyone else. That is not only morally repugnant, it is bad economic policy." "

You're right, that American taxpayer be damned.

[jm1982]

Also again , politically incorrect warning
Maybe people should not be having kids if they can't afford basic needs like food ..


As Michael Jackson once sang

"If You Cant Feed Your Baby (Yeah, Yeah)
Then Don't Have A Baby (Yeah, Yeah)
And Don't Think Maybe (Yeah, Yeah)
If You Can't Feed Your Baby (Yeah, Yeah)
You'll Be Always Tryin'
To Stop That Child From Cryin'
Hustlin', Stealin', Lyin'"