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Old 05-08-2020, 01:50 PM
 
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That doesn’t make sense. High number of service workers in OC, SB, Riverside, and San Diego counties and all of those are multiples lower than LA County.

And the few counties that jumped the gun are isolated and very low in population not to mention very spread out. They are spreading anything anywhere.
Seems Greasy Gavin is following idiot Gov Cuomo’s protocol with regard to elder care facilities. 40% of deaths are from elder facilities. He actually offered $1,000 per day to them to accept positive patients, yet has to borrow money from the federal government now to pay UI claims, illegals and house the homeless. What a buffoon. Yet, lecture us on how he is following science. Ok, cult leader.

https://www.mercurynews.com/editoria...ome-cases-soar
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Old 05-08-2020, 02:43 PM
 
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Seems Greasy Gavin is following idiot Gov Cuomo’s protocol with regard to elder care facilities. 40% of deaths are from elder facilities. He actually offered $1,000 per day to them to accept positive patients, yet has to borrow money from the federal government now to pay UI claims, illegals and house the homeless. What a buffoon. Yet, lecture us on how he is following science. Ok, cult leader.

https://www.mercurynews.com/editoria...ome-cases-soar
Elder facilities I assume are in proportion to the population. However I am curious what % of LA County CV deaths were in elder facilities. I am still not sure it means much though since the number of cases in LA County is also disproportionally high compared to population levels.
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Old 05-08-2020, 03:03 PM
 
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That doesn’t make sense. High number of service workers in OC, SB, Riverside, and San Diego counties and all of those are multiples lower than LA County.

And the few counties that jumped the gun are isolated and very low in population not to mention very spread out. They aren’t spreading anything anywhere.
Orange County also has a considerably higher density than LA County, for what that's worth. It's closer to San Francisco in that regard, but has far fewer cases and deaths per million than either of those.
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Old 05-08-2020, 03:18 PM
 
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Elder facilities I assume are in proportion to the population. However I am curious what % of LA County CV deaths were in elder facilities. I am still not sure it means much though since the number of cases in LA County is also disproportionally high compared to population levels.
Here you go. Quite a failure on Greasy Boi’s watch. Same with Garcetti. Yet, let’s keep businesses closed. Ok, makes complete sense.


https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020...avirus-deaths/

https://www.mercurynews.com/coronavi...ents-and-staff
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Old 05-08-2020, 04:39 PM
 
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Here you go. Quite a failure on Greasy Boi’s watch. Same with Garcetti. Yet, let’s keep businesses closed. Ok, makes complete sense.


https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020...avirus-deaths/

https://www.mercurynews.com/coronavi...ents-and-staff
That’s not too far out of line with other stats I’ve seen(estimates at 30-45% of all deaths).

I do think that’s probably the correct route to go in terms of moving forward...open things up and with masks and proper social distancing and caution those with health issues and the elderly to stay home or exercise caution. You wouldn’t know it from some of the hysterics in this thread though.
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Old 05-08-2020, 05:01 PM
 
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That’s not too far out of line with other stats I’ve seen(estimates at 30-45% of all deaths).

I do think that’s probably the correct route to go in terms of moving forward...open things up and with masks and proper social distancing and caution those with health issues and the elderly to stay home or exercise caution. You wouldn’t know it from some of the hysterics in this thread though.
Trump even said that, I believe yesterday that older and medically at-risk should stay home. Why we had to shut down the economy for this long is the most ridiculous thing that will be talked about 50 years from now. Too bad, I won’t be around to hear it. Why there was no focus on the elderly at all when we saw all the stats from other countries back in late Feb/early March is beyond me.
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Old 05-09-2020, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Corona del Mar, CA - Coronado, CA
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This generation of snowflakes wouldn't last a minute during prior eras in our history: like WWII when Americans on the home front planted victory gardens, endured serious rationing of goods, etc. Not to mention the numerous prior occasions in our history when quarantines were imposed to protect the public against yellow fever, small pox and other infectious diseases.
Those previous quarantines were quarantines of the sick and infected people (and those exposed by living with them), NOT the entire population of a state.

Funny you mention WWII; we "quarantined" an entire segment of the population and it is now considered one of the most shameful acts in American history.

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I am quite curious why LA County is so disproportionally affected compared to other CA counties. I thought it might be due to testing, but That wouldn’t affect deaths...
They have a lot people who paid zero attention to the basics of "virus prevention" strategies. I think in LA County you'd find the 80% of the cases in relatively few zip codes.
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Old 05-09-2020, 07:38 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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Those previous quarantines were quarantines of the sick and infected people (and those exposed by living with them), NOT the entire population of a state.

Funny you mention WWII; we "quarantined" an entire segment of the population and it is now considered one of the most shameful acts in American history...
Those previous diseases manifested more openly more quickly relative to window of infectiousness. This virus is often hidden - and the infected become active vectors long before, if ever, obvious. In the gross absence of widespread testing, the underlying principle of quarantine to execute the government’s mandate to safeguard the public is the issue here, not the variables of different diseases in past history.

And the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII has no relevance to infectious disease quarantine. The internment was purely speculative fear that targeted established citizenry based solely on race, not based on active forces - and not based on pernicious disease.
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Old 05-09-2020, 07:42 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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I think in LA County you'd find the 80% of the cases in relatively few zip codes.
It doesn't look like it. Long Beach, Glendale, San Pedro, Pasadena, Sylmar, and Palmdale all have over 500 confirmed cases. Those with only one confirmed case: Bradbury, Playa del Rey, Vernon, unincorporated Pomona, Mandeville Cyn...

https://www.latimes.com/projects/cal...king-outbreak/
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Old 05-09-2020, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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And the few counties that jumped the gun are isolated and very low in population not to mention very spread out. They aren’t spreading anything anywhere.
As a state, California's testing ramp up has been slow so we only know so much. The known cases in those rural northern counties were plateauing, not declining when they jumped the gun. Also, issues like the capacity for contract tracing and local health care system capacity have to be considered. Finally, early reopening in even case-free counties could lead to infected travelers bringing the virus.
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