Politico: Governor Newsom Given High Marks for His Coronavirus Response (movies, middle school)

[Astral_Weeks]

Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter

Those previous quarantines were quarantines of the sick and infected people (and those exposed by living with them), NOT the entire population of a state.

That is true. By the same token, if you read the history of the Spanish Flu you will note there was a key difference between today’s virus and the 1918 epidemic:

In 1918, there were no known asymptomatic cases; you felt sick (and usually very sick) within about 24 hours of encountering the flu, or you very likely did not have it at all. Healthy people, unlike today, were not considered a threat to one another.

Nevertheless, cities that imposed more restrictions in 1918 fared better than those that posed fewer. That is, cities that closed schools, movie theaters, had bans on large gatherings, etc. had lower death tolls.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0330110344.htm

Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter

Funny you mention WWII; we "quarantined" an entire segment of the population and it is now considered one of the most shameful acts in American history.

LMAO....you don't make yourself look very credible when making silly comparisons like this.

[seain dublin]

Originally Posted by Astral_Weeks

That is true. By the same token, if you read the history of the Spanish Flu you will note there was a key difference between today’s virus and the 1918 epidemic:

In 1918, there were no known asymptomatic cases; you felt sick (and usually very sick) within about 24 hours of encountering the flu, or you very likely did not have it at all. Healthy people, unlike today, were not considered a threat to one another.

Nevertheless, cities that imposed more restrictions in 1918 fared better than those that posed fewer. That is, cities that closed schools, movie theaters, had bans on large gatherings, etc. had lower death tolls.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0330110344.htm



LMAO....you don't make yourself look very credible when making silly comparisons like this.

No, you make yourself look ignorant. What Tim said is true. Japanese Americans(who were born here) were put into interment camps,. He is quite right, it is considered one of the most shameful times in American history.

And try educating yourself about this virus, I guess you think all the hospitals were overflowing in NY? Not even close. Do you know anyone in the medical field? I know two nurses who have been laid off, thousands have, do you know why? Educate yourself.

If I an correct you're in your 30s. I really feel sorry for people your age and younger the most. Your country has pretty much destroyed your financial future, and that is tragic. It took the US 12 years to make a full recovery from the Great Depression( and this is going to rival that).

Think about that one, nothing LMAO about.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by seain dublin

No, you make yourself look ignorant. What Tim said is true. Japanese Americans(who were born here) were put into interment camps,. He is quite right, it is considered one of the most shameful times in American history.

And try educating yourself about this virus, I guess you think all the hospitals were overflowing in NY? Not even close. Do you know anyone in the medical field? I know two nurses who have been laid off, thousands have, do you know why? Educate yourself.

If I an correct you're in your 30s. I really feel sorry for people your age and younger the most. Your country has pretty much destroyed your financial future, and that is tragic. It took the US 12 years to make a full recovery from the Great Depression( and this is going to rival that).

Think about that one, nothing LMAO about.

No, Astral doesn’t look ignorant a bit. There’s no equivalency between the WWII internment and CV19 quarantine. In WWII American citizens were rounded up on pure speculative fear based on race ... not based on any activities. That’s a black eye.

In the case of today’s virus, we are seeing Executive Orders made in response to an actual, active threat to the public by a disease that can easily be transmitted long before it is detected in a carrier - and in fact is apparently often entirely undetected ever in a particular carrier. In the absence of widespread testing, this is a prudent emergency stance until more is known on how to combat the disease.

Your persistent “feeling sorry” for others you consider inferior is - nauseating at this point. Get over yourself.

[TimTheEnchanter]

Originally Posted by Astral_Weeks

LMAO....you don't make yourself look very credible when making silly comparisons like this.

If you miss the analogy. That is on you.

At the time of Executive Order 9066 (note it was an executive order from one man, not a legislative consensus) everyone said (not literally, but it was the effect) "OMG we don't care how much we are violating our principles and Constitution, we HAVE to do it to be safe."

And of course it turned out to not be true.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter

If you miss the analogy. That is on you.

At the time of Executive Order 9066 (note it was an executive order from one man, not a legislative consensus) everyone said (not literally, but it was the effect) "OMG we don't care how much we are violating our principles and Constitution, we HAVE to do it to be safe."

And of course it turned out to not be true.

Neither Astral nor I “missed the analogy” ... there is no equivalency between WWII racial internment and this present day virus shut down. None whatsoever, as explained several times to you.

[seain dublin]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

No, Astral doesn’t look ignorant a bit. There’s no equivalency between the WWII internment and CV19 quarantine. In WWII American citizens were rounded up on pure speculative fear based on race ... not based on any activities. That’s a black eye.

In the case of today’s virus, we are seeing Executive Orders made in response to an actual, active threat to the public by a disease that can easily be transmitted long before it is detected in a carrier - and in fact is apparently often entirely undetected ever in a particular carrier. In the absence of widespread testing, this is a prudent emergency stance until more is known on how to combat the disease.

Your persistent “feeling sorry” for others you consider inferior is - nauseating at this point. Get over yourself.

Glad to see you can admit it was a black eye. Yet, many Americans today aren't even aware of it. It was very dismissive for Astral Weeks to be so dismissive.

I know it was about race, I know two people now in their 80s who as chlldren were in Manzanar.

Yes, there most certainly is an equivalency, just like how you tried to "educate " me on the 92 riots when I mentioned concerns about civil unrest due to a major economic downturn and people growing frustrated who are still waiting for their first EDD check and they got laid off in mid March. Others can't even apply online and can't get through on the phone. I am well aware of the cause of the 92 riots, you do understand that civil unrest occurs over issues.

Funny, you listed every detail of your life and all the good you have done, based on your demeanor here it doesn't quite add up.

I will show concern for others, that's not your call. People who have lost jobs, I mentioned earlier women and children living in already tense situations at home due to domestic abuse. Never said inferior, having empathy for others is being human, doesn't mean you think they're inferior.

[seain dublin]

Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter

If you miss the analogy. That is on you.

At the time of Executive Order 9066 (note it was an executive order from one man, not a legislative consensus) everyone said (not literally, but it was the effect) "OMG we don't care how much we are violating our principles and Constitution, we HAVE to do it to be safe."

And of course it turned out to not be true.

A couple of them on here missed the analogy.

That horrific time was based on nothing but fear, and it was a very shameful time. KCET from time to time shows a documentary on it.

When decisions are made base strictly on fear and panic, the results are never good. Sad thing is today many people wouldn't even know what you were talking about.

The two people I know here were in Manzanar as children, I have the greatest respect for. They don't often talk about it, when they do they are living history books, they also harbor no bitterness which is very, very admirable.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter

If you miss the analogy. That is on you.

At the time of Executive Order 9066 (note it was an executive order from one man, not a legislative consensus) everyone said (not literally, but it was the effect) "OMG we don't care how much we are violating our principles and Constitution, we HAVE to do it to be safe."

And of course it turned out to not be true.

No one is violating the constitution, get a grip. A federal court just ruled in favor of California in a lawsuit where some yahoo cosplay soldiers wanted to demonstrate in front of the Capitol. The judge said that the state is within it's rights to ban protests during an emergency https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article242612886.html

One thing that irritates me is when people start whining about their constitutional rights but they don't give a hoot about the rights of the people they are putting at risk when they refuse to follow guidance that's in place to protect all of us.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by seain dublin

Glad to see you can admit it was a black eye. Yet, many Americans today aren't even aware of it. It was very dismissive for Astral Weeks to be so dismissive.

I know it was about race, I know two people now in their 80s who as chlldren were in Manzanar.

Yes, there most certainly is an equivalency, just like how you tried to "educate " me on the 92 riots when I mentioned concerns about civil unrest due to a major economic downturn and people growing frustrated who are still waiting for their first EDD check and they got laid off in mid March. Others can't even apply online and can't get through on the phone. I am well aware of the cause of the 92 riots, you do understand that civil unrest occurs over issues.

Funny, you listed every detail of your life and all the good you have done, based on your demeanor here it doesn't quite add up.

I will show concern for others, that's not your call. People who have lost jobs, I mentioned earlier women and children living in already tense situations at home due to domestic abuse. Never said inferior, having empathy for others is being human, doesn't mean you think they're inferior.

Before they put any stay at home orders or social distancing requirements restaurants were empty here as were the Casinos here and in Nevada. You seem to think that if no one had done a thing no one would have lost a job and no businesses would have closed and that's simply not true. And quite frankly given the turnouts for the California state capitol protests (usually around 500 people) I'm not too worried about "Civil Unrest"

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Before they put any stay at home orders or social distancing requirements restaurants were empty here as were the Casinos here and in Nevada. You seem to think that if no one had done a thing no one would have lost a job and no businesses would have closed and that's simply not true. And quite frankly given the turnouts for the California state capitol protests (usually around 500 people) I'm not too worried about "Civil Unrest"

No kidding. Seain is just one of many posters on CV19 related threads in several different state forums I have browsed who are all quite certain the nation is headed for rioting in the streets and general civil collapse. Seain is obsessed with “the ‘92 riots” in LA as an example. But the parallels just aren’t there. COVID19 isn’t socio-economic oppression. And no civil rights are being selectively abused.