Gruesome scene in New Bedford (Boston, Worcester: 2013, crime rates, elementary school)

[lrfox]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

I’m wondering if redplum33 has ever actually been to Weld Square? I use the butcher at Giammalvo’s Market a block from it occasionally. It’s fine during the day but I wouldn’t venture into that neighborhood at night. That’s the heroin capital of North America and that dates back to the 1960s.

My ex's sister lives right around the corner on Myrtle (her husband's family has owned a MFH there for 40+ years), so we used to be there quite a bit and often after dark. It's definitely an area I didn't like, especially at night (though never any concerns during the day). I never liked when we had to park any sort of distance away from the home.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

Yes to all except fleeeing a crime scene.

Really?


https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6512...7i13312!8i6656

Originally Posted by GeoffD

I’m wondering if redplum33 has ever actually been to Weld Square? I use the butcher at Giammalvo’s Market a block from it occasionally. It’s fine during the day but I wouldn’t venture into that neighborhood at night. That’s the heroin capital of North America and that dates back to the 1960s.

Is that really why you go there Geoff???

[Boston Shudra]

Originally Posted by msRB311

New Bedford would be a rough place to be a cop. But they make the same amount as a cop in Hingham.

Scary. It seems like the younger generation is pretty trigger happy when it comes to shooting at cops.

Since when are 32 and 40-year-olds "the younger generation"?

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

But listen ... if you adjust for income, ESL students, and frequency of Naloxan treatments ... then New Bedford schools are as good as any metro-west town.

It’s possible to be successful in the New Bedford public school system. With good parents, the elementary schools in the better neighborhoods won’t be fatal. In the higher grades, the students tend to self-segregate so the kids doing the harder academic track with sports can do OK. It’s not like the whole city is a war zone. If you are at one of the elementary schools that serves the projects, the odds are pretty grim.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by Boston Shudra

Since when are 32 and 40-year-olds "the younger generation"?

Shooter was 18 dude.


New Bedford murder suspect, 18, ordered held without bail



https://www.wpri.com/news/local-news...-without-bail/


"NEW BEDFORD, Mass. (WPRI) — An 18-year-old man suspected of shooting two men, killing one of them, faced upgraded charges in New Bedford District Court on Monday.
Jon Zell, of Mattapoisett, was arraigned on several felonies including the murder of 40-year-old Angel Cruz. No plea was entered and Zell was ordered held without bail."

[bolehboleh]

Originally Posted by redplum33

Hooker?

https://goo.gl/maps/bYnxWasaM177h1W77


Drug deal?

https://goo.gl/maps/6dAG5Tq8x9sT3Wuu6

https://goo.gl/maps/9673rJywRCfSaarY6


Breaking into and/or stealing a car?

https://goo.gl/maps/qcKmf7PHDwLrjTT78


Fleeing a crime scene?

https://goo.gl/maps/iVGEvbkhTkBfqVeH9

I honestly can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but some people seem to be taking these seriously.

In all of the pictures, it just looks like people going about their business.

And whereas this crime is truly horrific, NB's murder rate is on on the lower side compared to the worst/biggest cities in New England:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/gener...ities-new.html

It's 3.2/100,000. That's high for Europe or Canada, but not the US.

[Lampert]

Originally Posted by bolehboleh

I honestly can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but some people seem to be taking these seriously.

In all of the pictures, it just looks like people going about their business.

The first woman is most likely just waiting for the bus since she is at a bus stop with bags.

If you follow the group of dudes around the car they just move to let the google car pass and go back talking.

The dude with the car is just opening his car...you would wait for the road to be empty before breaking into a car.

The last dude is just crossing the road.

You could take a pic of someone bent over a flower bed and title it "burying a body?"...Maybe...but what about just tending to flowers?

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by bolehboleh

I honestly can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but some people seem to be taking these seriously.

In all of the pictures, it just looks like people going about their business.

And whereas this crime is truly horrific, NB's murder rate is on on the lower side compared to the worst/biggest cities in New England:

http:////www.city-data.com/forum/gen...ities-new.html

It's 3.2/100,000. That's high for Europe or Canada, but not the US.

You’re looking at one year of data. 2017 was 8 murders. 2009 was 9 murders. There are years where it’s near the highest murder rate in the state. There are also a lot of 2 and 3 murder years. Weld Square has always been one of the violent crime pockets of the city. You’re not going to see that in Google street views. Like anywhere else, if you’re not in a gang or in the drugs & prostitution scene, it’s very unlikely that you’d get shot.

[Shrewsburried]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

You’re looking at one year of data. 2017 was 8 murders. 2009 was 9 murders. There are years where it’s near the highest murder rate in the state. There are also a lot of 2 and 3 murder years. Weld Square has always been one of the violent crime pockets of the city. You’re not going to see that in Google street views. Like anywhere else, if you’re not in a gang or in the drugs & prostitution scene, it’s very unlikely that you’d get shot.

... everywhere else in MA.

My peer group's experience in Baltimore suggests it can A LOT worse despite their efforts to hole up in relatively 'gentrified' 'hoods (e.g., Fells Point, Fed Hill, Canton). I think your general sentiment holds true in most MA neighborhoods, but other urban areas of the U.S. present much higher risks to the general public.

Most of my contacts there, despite heavily romanticizing the city, bailed shortly after the Freddy Gray riots ... at that point they had been there the better part of a decade and nearly all had directly experienced some degree of crime - assaults, muggings, violent auto/bike theft, apt break ins, etc.

MA cities have their issues, but the misery is much more ... well, let's be honest here ... segregated.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

... everywhere else in MA.

My peer group's experience in Baltimore suggests it can A LOT worse despite their efforts to hole up in relatively 'gentrified' 'hoods (e.g., Fells Point, Fed Hill, Canton). I think your general sentiment holds true in most MA neighborhoods, but other urban areas of the U.S. present much higher risks to the general public.

Most of my contacts there, despite heavily romanticizing the city, bailed shortly after the Freddy Gray riots ... at that point they had been there the better part of a decade and nearly all had directly experienced some degree of crime - assaults, muggings, violent auto/bike theft, apt break ins, etc.

MA cities have their issues, but the misery is much more ... well, let's be honest here ... segregated.

Baltimore is one of the most dangerous cities not only in the US but the whole developed world. Not typical of even urban America. An exception by all means.