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Old 06-11-2019, 03:14 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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In before the first Liberal spouts "private company they can do what they want"......

Ask them if that same sentiment applies to Christian bakers.....
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Old 06-11-2019, 03:23 AM
 
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It's nice of youtube to help their competitors, indeed a lot of very good youtubers are now planning to jump ship and look at alternatives.

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Old 06-11-2019, 03:33 AM
 
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YouTube wants to Mueller its content creators; "we can't say you did anything wrong, but we can't say you didn't."
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Old 06-11-2019, 06:12 AM
 
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Looks like Youtube latest move had created more unintended consequences.
https://twitter.com/ChuckAviator/sta...84046151798786

And that go as far into animes channels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXWH6epLxtI
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Old 06-11-2019, 08:20 AM
 
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In before the first Liberal spouts "private company they can do what they want"......

Ask them if that same sentiment applies to Christian bakers.....
Don't you get tired of spouting the same talking point over and over and over.......

1. Most "liberals" could care less about what a Christian baker does.
2. A baker is not an 800 Billion dollar media corporation.
3. If I am not wrong, it was the STATE of Co. that brought the case. Civil Rights if I remember. Nothing to do with Youtube
4. I don't remember a POTUS threatening to investigate all bakers.....do you?

But, whatever, the world is a complex place.

And, no, Christian Bakers and Nuclear Bombs and Islands in the S China Sea and health care for all...these are not all the same things. Try to put some new arrows in your quiver.
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Old 06-11-2019, 08:23 AM
 
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It's nice of youtube to help their competitors, indeed a lot of very good youtubers are now planning to jump ship and look at alternatives.
Exactly the correct world view and attitude. They are betting on civility and others will take up the slack.

Of course, they really don't have competitors except in the sense of MORE civil ones - like Vimeo.

Youtubes biggest problem was becoming too popular....and not foreseeing that the dregs of the world would abuse them. One thing I learned decades ago..there is no system that humans are not able and willing to game.

Add in money and "fame" (or perceived fame) and it's harder than opiates for these crazies to avoid. After all, before YT they only had family and friends to rant to, most of whom avoided them. Imagine the shot of "feeling" they get from people watching their BS and then getting paid for it!
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Old 06-11-2019, 08:31 AM
 
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Also, who is in charge of defining what's an extreme view or not? It all boils down to human interpretation.


Oh you just wait and see. Give these guys and inch and they'll take a yard. Fast forward 10 years and when all "edgy" material is gone, we'll all tune in to have our choice of the "Silly Cat Tricks or Aunt Nancy's Knitting Class" as available material.


My point is stop the censorship NOW! Sounds iike YouTube needs to put their foot down and change their advertisement strategy!
Well, you finally got some of it right! Orgs are allowed HUMAN interpretation and they are allowed to project the image they and their stockholders desire. PERIOD.

Now....you better sit down if you are standing....and I hate to point this out....but, what do you think available content in the USA was "pre-internet"? You know...when conservatives claimed American Was Great?

Ozzie and Harriet? I Love Lucy? Jackie Gleason? Soupy Sales was really radical.......

Mad and Cracked Magazine were perhaps the edgiest. And you know what? American was fine and well.

It's amazing to see this "entitled" attitude and realize that it is less than 15 years old. Think about it. I was there (have been online since 1986 and published since the early 90's).....there was NOTHING like what you are talking about existing even after the internet spread. These platforms you are talking about only became widespread in the last 12 years or so. Even then I am being generous - YT was started in 2005, but it really didn't work well or spread much for a few years after that.

You are effectively saying that if we turned back the clock even 10 years the world was all censored. That's just silly. Even you should be able to see that, right?

Or did American greatness and Free Speech only start a decade ago when Google allowed people to post videos?

Gotta be one or the other. Choose?
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Old 06-11-2019, 08:36 AM
 
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Youtube, Alphabet, Google or whatever they are called needs to buy another video platform and split the content. Send all the people with social and political agendas to one place and leave all the music, tutorials in another place.
They don't want to host the edgy stuff just like they don't want to do porn (the biggest industry on the internet by far)........

Believe me, the folks at google THINK about things. They are, as another post mentions, hoping that the outliers just go to another platform or start their own. Of course, chances are that those platforms will fail from lack of financing and viewership.

Thousands of sites exists on the deep web and dark web. Everything and anything.

They already have some filtering and parental controls that allow some of what you are mentioning...but when it comes to true hate and BS, they just won't put up with it. Period.

Hate is not really profitable except for a tiny slice of it and Fox has that cash wrapped up worldwide. Otherwise hate usually costs....or loses money. That's why it has to be funded by the Russians and the NRA, etc...
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Old 06-11-2019, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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YouTube used to be like the wild west. In their defense, they have been cracking down on channels that are exploitative of children lately.

They've gone to the opposite extreme now though. They retroactively punish channels for videos they made ages ago...like years ago...that were posted during the "wild west" times. These are channels that can lean to the left, or the right...all you have to do is state too unique of opinions.

YouTube has punished channels not just for making conspiracy theory-type content, but for pointing out the flaws of conspiracy theories. YouTube will sometimes punish channels merely for mentioning controversial figures, even if the channel is denouncing those controversial figures. They will sometimes delete channels without warning, ending people's livelihoods. They will treat huge news companies completely differently, letting them cover whatever topics they want, while punishing smaller Youtube channels in ways the creators had no way of anticipating. Those huge, television-based news companies used to not be able to compete on YouTube, but YouTube likes them better because one big news channel is easier to control than 50,000 smaller ones.

They used regular people producing good quality videos to grow large. For awhile YouTube was a place in which true competition allowed a lot of interesting discourse from people of multiple perspectives. I think it was an invaluable place for society. I think the Darwinian competition for views produced some of the best programming out there, and it still competes with traditional television, particularly with young people.


Now that they essentially have a monopoly, certain types of channels have less value to them so they're booting them out in the interest of not offending advertisers...which makes sense from an economic perspective.


It still kind of sucks though, because that invaluable community filled with discourse and engagement of multiple perspectives, and solid, creative programming designed by small business owners is being transformed into a bureaucratic nightmare in which the machines punish you for trivial nonsense which nobody in their right mind should care about, that was perfectly fine on the website a few years ago...and human beings seldom are aware of what channels are being deleted or demonetized by the algorithms of the company they work for...from what I understand.

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Old 06-11-2019, 09:59 AM
 
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Mad and Cracked Magazine were perhaps the edgiest. And you know what? American was fine and well.
You forgot to mention National Lampoon. If they was still around today, would they do that cover featuring someone pulling a gun to a dog or that Volkswagen parody ad who tell then if Ted Kennedy had driven a VW, he would be president today? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheeseface
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