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Old 05-17-2017, 10:58 AM
 
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And yes people are afraid to protest against the Government because they're afraid to be killed that's what happened to the 43 students from guerrero they protest against them for equal education and then the government blamed the drug cartels when in reality they had nothing to do cartel people don't mess with INNOCENT PEOPLE!
And Mexico will never be considered First World until the people can speak freely, the press can report honestly, judges can rule fairly, and politicians can promote policies without fear of being physically beaten or murdered. Until the Mexican government can protect those basic institutions of civilization, Mexico cannot separate itself from the banana republics and be considered First World. It doesn't matter how many upscale nightclubs and fancy cars and clothes your upper middle class enjoys.

Exaggerate? The number of journalists and politicians killed number in the thousands. That's fact, not exaggeration. If even one mayor or judge were assassinated in the USA over his policies or judgments, it would be headline news and steps taken to prevent it from recurring. Atrocious crimes occur everywhere but the number of incidents in Mexico are staggering.

Even so, your individual odds of being a victim are small. I'd agree to that. Otherwise, I would not have logged ten thousand miles on Mexican highways in the last decade. But the real impact is how it shapes society, forces citizens to keep their mouths shut and look the other way out of fear, forces politicians to not promote policies that threaten the upper class or gangs, forces journalists to not report honestly what is happening.

 
Old 05-17-2017, 11:04 AM
 
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cartel people don't mess with INNOCENT PEOPLE!
Seriously? Are you a cartel member or something? What a ludicrous statement.

They may not typically *target* "innocent" people but they are not at all concerned with collateral damage if those "innocents" happen to be in the vicinity of their targets. And their definition of "innocent" is rather loose. It is quite common for cartels to exact their vengeance against a target by torturing or killing the target's friends and family members.
 
Old 05-17-2017, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Mexico
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Oceangai Oh please stop it not all middle classes or upper are into the **** you obviously been Out of the track.


If Mexico was a war zone like your country media and news exxagate Mexico wouldn't be receiving 35 million tourist.

And they wouldn't.be 1one million American expatriates all over Mexico just ask your fellas a lot of them even create forums or blogs or YouTube videos to promote other expatriates to join them they all having the best moments of their lifes.


Look I like being respectful and with professional manners in conversation but you're getting of my nervous.

Obviously you have an angenda to Mexico.
 
Old 05-17-2017, 11:24 AM
 
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No, you're the one with the obvious agenda. You're the one that started a thread. You can cry "exaggeration" all you want but you cannot deny the numbers. I can provide names of those journalists and politicians if you like. It's all on the internet.

By your own words, the people are afraid to speak out lest they be killed. That says it all.
 
Old 05-17-2017, 11:37 AM
 
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A gang of heavily armed men stormed a party inside a house in the border city of Ciudad Juárez killing 13 teenagers in the early hours of yesterday morning. A *further 17 young people were injured in the attack, which was apparently a mistaken drugs hit.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...n-drug-cartels

More than a dozen gunmen sealed off a street in the violent border city of Ciudad Juárez and opened fire on a house where high school students were having a party, killing 16 people, officials said Monday.
Gunmen Kill 15 at Teenagers

Gunmen burst into the party in a small concrete house in a working-class Ciudad Juárez neighborhood on Friday and opened fire, killing 13 people immediately and wounding 20, state officials said. A 14th victim died in the hospital late Saturday night.
14 Dead in Attack at Party in Ciudad Juárez, Mexico - The New York Times

Guess none of those teenagers were "innocent".
 
Old 05-17-2017, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Mexico
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Lol Oceangi you are hilarious how old are you by the way.

I can also post articles from Chicago or Detroit portraying the most dangerous cities in the U.S..


An white Americans of Anglosaxon beatin to death or racial profiling against the African Americans in the south.

We Mexicans know exactly what's happening in the us you can't fool us.
 
Old 05-17-2017, 11:53 AM
 
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First local police in Monterrey lost their assault rifles after an armed confrontation with federal agents while protesting the arrest of cops for alleged gang ties. Now officers in Mexico's third-largest city will be stripped of cell phones. The legislature in Nuevo Leon state unanimously approved a bill banning city and state police from carrying personal cell phones while on duty in an effort to prevent corrupt officers from communicating with drug gangs.
Mexico state strips cops of cell phones - World news - Americas - Focus on Mexico | NBC News
 
Old 05-17-2017, 12:01 PM
 
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You started the thread, you asked the question why Mexico isn't considered First Wrold, and then you get all upset because people answered why. Then you get more upset when they answer your denials with references.

You want it to be about pure economics. How many people wear expensive watches and designer clothes. For me, and I'd say most others, it's about basic social institutions and the rule of law.
 
Old 05-17-2017, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Mexico
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That's because the average middle-class Mexican own property and house so they have enough money to buy luxurious.

While the average middle class American has tons.of bills and hi is in collection also most pay rent and don't own property.


Unlike the Mexican government gives credit to it's citizens to own property and house.
 
Old 05-17-2017, 12:26 PM
 
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What many Mexicans consider a "house" would be considered an "outhouse" by most Americans.
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