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Old 08-13-2009, 11:34 AM
 
Location: North Idaho
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Thank you very much! I'll take a look at this soon, once I'm finished here at work.

Just one point I need to make: Tearing up one's sign is reprehensible enough. Tearing up an actual person, who in this case shares the same skin color as Rosa Parks is a whole lot worse than that. But let me watch this video link, and thanks again for providing it!
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Old 08-13-2009, 11:38 AM
 
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Thank you very much! I'll take a look at this soon, once I'm finished here at work.

Just one point I need to make: Tearing up one's sign is reprehensible enough. Tearing up an actual person is a whole lot worse than that. But let me watch this video link, and thanks again for providing it!
It's definitely reprehensible to assault anyone...although I'm not so sure the guy who was assaulted was the innocent bystander some are claiming him to be. But anyone who assaulted the guy should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
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Old 08-13-2009, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Southeast Missouri
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As far as ObamaCare, there are so many different rumors out there, it's hard to know what is in the bill and what is not. And you hear (from legitimate, knowledgeable sources on each side) about the good and bad of it. I'm not sure where I stand. I'm cautious about accepting it since it's hard to know what the truth is.
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Old 08-13-2009, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Rolla, Phelps County, Ozarks, Missouri
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As far as ObamaCare, there are so many different rumors out there, it's hard to know what is in the bill and what is not. And you hear (from legitimate, knowledgeable sources on each side) about the good and bad of it. I'm not sure where I stand. I'm cautious about accepting it since it's hard to know what the truth is.
It isn't hard to know what is in the bill, St. Louis sports fan. All you've got to do is go to opencongress.org and read it for yourself. That way, you don't get anyone's spin or anyone's rumors. I think if you'll read it yourself, you'll be even more cautious. Block out a couple hours each night for a week, though, for it is long and there are things hidden in there.
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Old 08-13-2009, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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I am certainly cautious about this entire reform also. However, after just paying 300$ for a doctor visit to treat me for Acid Reflux, and then having the pharmacy quote my medicine for 200$ a month.........insurance refused to cover it because Prilosac is now otc............sure something needs to change. I needed a blood test as well and I am honestly in fear of getting that bill after what my insurance will not cover. The cost of going to the doctor, even for something simple, even if you have insurance, is just out of control. Is Obama's plan going to fix it, is it right, is it going to fail horribly? I do not know at all......however, I do know that we need to change something.
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Old 08-13-2009, 04:56 PM
 
Location: 92656, the OC
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Default Rosa parks may have been brave butttttt

Rosa Parks no dont is as brave as they come and a great part of history. But dont forget this health care has nothing to do with Rosa Parks. The pro health care people who cant debate us with facts are turning this into race, that is why the guy tore up the sign. This is not black history month or honoring any other person who has done something great. This is about health care so dont get confused as that is what they want and why they have resorted to calling us names, we are backed by right wingers etc. NOPE we are just plain ole folks WHO DO NOT WANT GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION INTO OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. Please do your do diligence and read or at least try to read and understand the 1100 pages that our senators, house reps and even our vice president and president have not read. It is crazy that anyone would vote on a bill that changes our entire system without reading the bill and then truly trying to find out how to pay for this. All the econimists and math wizards have all said you cant pay for it the way Obama wants to. Also if you can read up on Canada's health care as ours is exactly the same proposal and that my folks is plain ole scary. Really it is simple math, hence we only have so many doctors and nurses. You all know how long it currently takes to see your doctor, not long maybe 15 minutes at best, emergency care a little different especially if you are in LA, waits can be an hour or more because of all the illegals so now I want you to add 43 more million people to the plan. There you have the reason for rationing its plain and simple they being the gov. dont want to but they must because now you are going to cram in 43 more million so if you dont think health care is going to go down you are mistaking. New doctors per year is only about 1%, nursing is awful and we are already in a shortfall. It is perdicated by 2025 we will be short 500,000 nurses. Also did you know in Canada with their gov. run care that it takes 9 weeks to see your family doctor, it takes 3 to 6 months to see a specialist if you can get it. If you need radiation for cancer treatment it takes months if they approve it, you could die by then. Hip replacement is 18 months if they approve it. A 66 year old man wanted a year to see a specialist for his arthritic hip to get it replaced. The specialist agreed that it needed replacement but the gov. panel said no he was too old and gave pain medication instead. I could site example after example so please do your homework and get out there and dont let this pass. Yes we need reform but not this reform adding 4 trillion dollars to the budget and back rupting us is not a good idea.

Thank you
Diane
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Old 08-13-2009, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Rolla, Phelps County, Ozarks, Missouri
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I think we should tax the rich Californians to pay for poor Missourians' health care.
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Old 08-13-2009, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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Yes we need reform but not this reform adding 4 trillion dollars to the budget and back rupting us is not a good idea.

Thank you
Diane

How many people do you think have been bankrupted by the current system? Goodness forbid they need surgery or something and even with insurance paying 80% of the bill, you could be in debt for the rest of your life with one surgery.
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Old 08-13-2009, 05:33 PM
 
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Thank god! Some liberals exist in MO!

Agree--the hoodlums are on a rampage and I think it has more to do with black president than it has to do with health care. Simple fact is they can keep the current health care that will continue to rise, continue to pay for illegal immigrants (that make them rich) under the current plan, or they can come to their senses and realize they can continue private insurance if they wish under the new plan, that will also allow the rest of us middle to lower class citizens the privilege of health insurance as well.

The greed is astounding really.
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Old 08-13-2009, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Rolla, Phelps County, Ozarks, Missouri
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Call me a racist--many here have--but that video doesn't show me much of anything.
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