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Old 09-05-2019, 08:14 AM
 
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So, old punks and punkettes (if there are any of those here except me ;-) should know a hugely major LA punk band from the 1980s (and onward), Bad Religion. They don't tour that much any more, but they do tour somewhat, and the relatively few concerts that they do play are always sold out. Their guitarist, one of the founding members and one of the two guys that are the main creative force of the band (and he is also the owner of their music label) is legendary Brett Gurewitz. Brett always plays on their albums (including this last new one), but does not always play live with Bad Rel any more, they have a touring guitarist that often replaces Brett. Well, Bad Rel recently played two concerts in NYC - one in Manhattan and one in Brooklyn - so one band member gave an interview for that daily free city newspaper that you can grab from plastic cabinets on the street next to subway stations. He said Brett didn't like touring any more, and played live only if the concert was important, or was in some interesting place. Well, Brett did not play at their recent NYC concert in Brooklyn, and so I assume he did not play the previous night in Manhattan either... he only plays if the concert is important or in an interesting place :-).

 
Old 09-05-2019, 08:45 AM
 
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So, old punks and punkettes (if there are any of those here except me ;-) should know a hugely major LA punk band from the 1980s (and onward), Bad Religion. They don't tour that much any more, but they do tour somewhat, and the relatively few concerts that they do play are always sold out. Their guitarist, one of the founding members and one of the two guys that are the main creative force of the band (and he is also the owner of their music label) is legendary Brett Gurewitz. Brett always plays on their albums (including this last new one), but does not always play live with Bad Rel any more, they have a touring guitarist that often replaces Brett. Well, Bad Rel recently played two concerts in NYC - one in Manhattan and one in Brooklyn - so one band member gave an interview for that daily free city newspaper that you can grab from plastic cabinets on the street next to subway stations. He said Brett didn't like touring any more, and played live only if the concert was important, or was in some interesting place. Well, Brett did not play at their recent NYC concert in Brooklyn, and so I assume he did not play the previous night in Manhattan either... he only plays if the concert is important or in an interesting place :-).
Thought you were going to say The Ramones.
 
Old 09-05-2019, 10:14 AM
 
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Thought you were going to say The Ramones.

The Ramones are all dead (the original ones, not the replacement drummers), and two of them (Johnny and DeeDee) are burried at Hollywood Forever cemetery in LA (I went to pay my respects, multiple times :-(. Incredibly, even half of The Ramones left NYC in the end!
 
Old 09-05-2019, 10:27 AM
 
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The Ramones are all dead (the original ones, not the replacement drummers), and two of them (Johnny and DeeDee) are burried at Hollywood Forever cemetery in LA (I went to pay my respects, multiple times :-(. Incredibly, even half of The Ramones left NYC in the end!
I was excluding the whole playing shows part...
 
Old 09-05-2019, 10:33 AM
 
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The number of people leaving NYC is small, but the small number of people leaving is still greater than the small number of people moving in. Also, the richest New Yorkers have for a very long time tended to have their primary home somewhere else, with a pied-a-terre in NYC (ie, they tend to do on a grand scale what I am doing on a micro scale). They still pay real estate taxes to NYC, proportional to the value of their properties. Nobody has good data about their movements, but it is known that there are many more high-end properties for sale in NYC right now than the interested buyers.


NYC will not suddenly collapse, but it is registering small downward trends. In 1925, what you could do with your life in NYC and in Pokehole were two vastly different matters - they are not any more. I have a close relative in a high-level tech career, which he pursues remotely from Pokehole. We recently met in NYC (where he flew, as an expert from Pokehole, to troubleshoot a major communications system), and he was disgusted with everything he saw, he did not understand how I could voluntarily spend a minute in NYC... except that he actually liked Parkchester, said it reminded him of traveling in South Asia :-).
Actually, the way that property taxes are assessed in NYC makes the property value versus property taxes generated very decoupled in multiple instances.
 
Old 09-05-2019, 10:55 AM
 
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Actually, the way that property taxes are assessed in NYC makes the property value versus property taxes generated very decoupled in multiple instances.
Property value assessment is usually (though not always) lower than the actual market value of the property. My properties in San Francisco and the Bronx are each assesed for something like $70k less than I could sell them for (the condo in Boston is assessed realistically, maybe even overassessed for about $20k). They still collect almost $5k in my annual taxes for a 300 sq ft studio in San Francisco, ie, they collect plenty despite the underassessment, so I assume NYC likewise collects plenty of real estate taxes on good properties even if the luxury properties are somewhat underassessed.



In the Bronx, my real estate tax is almost nothing (it was barely over $100 for this year), but that is because Parkchester North condo fees have gone up substantially due to the need to replace roofs on several buildings, and the city abates taxes in the amount paid for any structural work in Parkchester buildings (it is considered urban renewal, which is deducted from taxation).
 
Old 09-05-2019, 03:15 PM
 
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An idea for a sociology PhD dissertation project: compare socioeconomic status of people moving out of vs. moving in NYC, and ask them why they are moving either way. My guess would be that those moving out are more affluent than those moving in, and gentrification is the least important reason for either. Considering the absence of gentrifiers in the Bronx, I would say pumping up the rents in the Bronx is far more a function of the lavish Section 8 than of any gentrification.


Well you just guessed wrong. These who are leaving are heavily the lower middle class, too "affluent" for Section 8, despairing of ever being able to buy a home. Those moving in (who aren't immigrants) are educated Millennials who will stick ariund long enough until they have kids and then they will leave.


Immigration into the city is also dropping for a multitude of reasons. High housing costs among them.
 
Old 09-05-2019, 03:16 PM
 
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It has little to do with the rent, but more with socialistic policies that will eventually bring back the burning south bronx era.


and yet income inequality increases, which suggests to me that its the middle group who leave. The most affluent remain. After all they can live in NYC but report their income as coming from FL.
 
Old 09-05-2019, 03:19 PM
 
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Approx 13k population loss from Queens, a bit smaller number from Brooklyn, 7k from the Bronx, 1k from Manhattan, small gain of a few hundred for Staten Island. Demographically, about 3% less whites and blacks than 10 years ago, about 3% more Latinos and Asians in NYC. Current estimates for all 5 boroughs: 31% white, 29% Latino, 24% black, 14% Asians. Manhattan is 50% white. The average per capita income is still the highest in the US (over $100k), but the SD is enormous.


the fastest growing are the Asians. Guess what. Despite the yelps of the many anti black people here (who daily start posts screaming how "savage" blacks are Asians also have the highest poverty rates in NYC. Of the 10 largest immigrant groups here black immigrants rank behind the Asian Indians, with lower poverty rates and higher median household incomes than among Chinese.
 
Old 09-05-2019, 03:24 PM
 
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Umm, no offense, but don't you live in a lottery apartment? Or were at least applying for them?


Everyone is anti socialist except when they benefit from the government. Some of the people who are heavily dependent on SNAP, Disability and Medicaid proudly support Trump. One need only luck at states like WV, and KY to see this.


Blue state hypocrisy is pretending to like blacks/immigrants when these are among the most segregated areas in the country.


Red state hypocrisy is pretending to hate government programs when these areas are the heaviest users of these programs.
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