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Nonsense. Even with changing fluid every 50k you're still going to get problems. If you don't then you got lucky. Nissan CVT is simply a junk design that was designed to meet fuel economy standards. It's a snowmobile tranny. Nissan would NEVER extend a warranty to 120k if there wasn't a problem. Lawsuits forced it.
You think nissan does NOT want to sell services like a tranny flush?
I'll give you the owners manual. It's considered LIFETIME.
http://x.nissanhelp.com/service/2009_service_guide.pdf
"Transmission Fluid/Oil, Differential
Oil, Transfer Case Oil
Visually inspect for signs of leakage at
specified intervals. If towing a trailer,
using a camper or car–top carrier, or
driving on rough or muddy roads, replace
the fluid/oil every 30,000 miles or 24
months (60,000 miles for Murano, Altima,
Altima Coupe, Maxima, Rogue, Sentra,
and Versa CVT fluid). Automatic transmission
fluid for 370Z is maintenancefree"
So basically change every 60k ONLY if towing or driving on muddy roads. Who tows with an altima? LOL Many have failed before 60k. The people who engineered the transmission came up with this service schedule and it's not like dealers don't want to sell services.
Here we go again... The people who engineered the transmission never said it's a lifetime fluid. It needs to be inspected, and the manufacturer schedule (not just the very vague service manual) clearly recommends either getting the fluid inspected for wear at regular intervals (30k-60k, depending on driving conditions. There is a scanner that checks the life percentage of the fluid specifically built for this) OR change it every 60k miles at the most.
Here we go again... The people who engineered the transmission never said it's a lifetime fluid. It needs to be inspected, and the manufacturer schedule (not just the very vague service manual) clearly recommends either getting the fluid inspected for wear at regular intervals (30k-60k, depending on driving conditions. There is a scanner that checks the life percentage of the fluid specifically built for this) OR change it every 60k miles at the most.
Nissan basically says it's lifetime if you're not towing. Service manual is VERY clear when you actually need to get something done. There the ones that warranty the vehicle. They don't ask for receipts for flushes. And they have every motivation to try to get out of paying a HUGE repair bill. Having a debate about whether you SHOULD have it changed and whether the service manual is wrong is a completely different discussion.
Yes. I have nothing wrong with how a CVT behaves, though it does take getting used to. The problem with a CVT is that they are inherently fragile (much lower torque ratings than a regular automatic) and ridiculously expensive to replace.
If you Google how a CVT transmission operates, see how it works. You would never buy a vehicle with one. They belong in nothing larger than a moped.
Nissan basically says it's lifetime if you're not towing. Service manual is VERY clear when you actually need to get something done. There the ones that warranty the vehicle. They don't ask for receipts for flushes. And they have every motivation to try to get out of paying a HUGE repair bill. Having a debate about whether you SHOULD have it changed and whether the service manual is wrong is a completely different discussion.
No, it does not say anything about it being lifetime.
Like I posted in reply to your post in the other topic:
here's some more information, DIRECTLY FROM NISSAN (go ahead, ask them for a FULL CVT SPEC printout:
CVT MAINTENANCE NOTES
For vehicles with a CVT; cube®, Murano®, Altima®, Altima coupe, Maxima®, Rogue®, Pathfinder®, Sentra® and Versa®, replace the fluid every 60,000 miles or if the CVT fluid deterioration data is more than 210000.
If towing a trailer or if the vehicle is driven on rough or muddy roads, replace the CVT fluid every 30,000 miles or 24 months.
When servicing a Nissan vehicle equipped with a CVT, make sure to use the appropriate Nissan CVT fluid specified in the Electronic Service Manual (ESM), Owner’s Manual or Service and Maintenance Guide.
NISSAN CVT Fluid NS-2 (“green fluidâ€) – applies to all Nissan vehicles equipped with a CVT built prior to 2013. Use NS-2 green fluid to service these vehicles.
New, unused service replacement CVTs may have some residual “blue†NS-3 fluid. However, these service replacement CVTs should be filled with NS-2 green fluid. No draining is necessary.
P.S., this is essentially the same information that's in the service manual, just a bit more detailed. Nowhere does anything say or imply lifetime.
If you Google how a CVT transmission operates, see how it works. You would never buy a vehicle with one. They belong in nothing larger than a moped.
Eh... automatics are also a bit strange when one actually looks at how the internals operate... Lots of weak-looking "floating" parts, among other things.
Nissan basically says it's lifetime if you're not towing. Service manual is VERY clear when you actually need to get something done. There the ones that warranty the vehicle. They don't ask for receipts for flushes. And they have every motivation to try to get out of paying a HUGE repair bill. Having a debate about whether you SHOULD have it changed and whether the service manual is wrong is a completely different discussion.
The dealership still gets paid quite handsomely for warranty work. Do you really think your neighborhood dealership is dishing out money from their own pocket for warranty work? You don't have much insight on how these things work, do you? Dealerships LOVE warranty work -- it guarantees that they will get paid for as much work as they can come up with to be done, versus being asked BY A KNOWLEDGEABLE customer for a specific, needed service.
The dealership still gets paid quite handsomely for warranty work. Do you really think your neighborhood dealership is dishing out money from their own pocket for warranty work? You don't have much insight on how these things work, do you? Dealerships LOVE warranty work -- it guarantees that they will get paid for as much work as they can come up with to be done, versus being asked BY A KNOWLEDGEABLE customer for a specific, needed service.
They HATE warranty work. You've never worked for a dealership to say something like that. The dealership is not paid market rate by nissan. Nissan would go broke if it had to do that. This is just patently wrong.
Here's a guy who worked for a honda dealer as a repair tech for 8 years.
They HATE warranty work. You've never worked for a dealership to say something like that. The dealership is not paid market rate by nissan. Nissan would go broke if it had to do that. This is just patently wrong.
Here's a guy who worked for a honda dealer as a repair tech for 8 years.
They are not paid market rate, but are still paid much more for, say, a full valve body replacement over a simple fluid change.
Convincing JATCO that the valve body's ports in their transmission was clogged with gunk and causing the vehicle to perform poorly is a pretty easy feat.
No, I never worked for a dealership per say, but worked at a shop that performed warranty work for a variety of local dealerships around.
Car comes in with an engine rattle. Knowledgeable mechanics can tell it's a timing chain bracket. Replacing the bracket is somewhat of a pain, and some would rather just swap an entire engine (pretty easy to do with the right tools).
Easy way to make money on a warranty claim? Break the bracket further, run the engine until it's out of timing and ****s up the valves/rods/etc., and voila! OH, we need a new engine.
Send it to the factory, drop in a new one, and boom: dealership just made roughly $1,000 more than it would have by replacing a bracket.
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