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Old 03-18-2015, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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It seems like quite a stretch to believe increased building heights would be driver for increasing tourism on Oahu. And a bit disingenuous as well.

Frankly, I think Hawaii has enough tourists. The issue for Hawaii, I believe, is properly managing the revenue from the tourists they already have.
OMG, THIS. I happen to be pro legalized gambling, just not here in Hawaii. We do not properly manage what we have, give them more, and they will mismanage more.
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Old 03-18-2015, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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And @whtviper1

But compared to the cost of housing and living plus low wages must everything be expensive in Oahu? The fact that one utility is cheap is a blessing to the middle and working class people of oahu compared to the cost of electricity which is between three and four times the average price on the mainland.

And regarding the topic of building up? When we build each building up to its limit, then what? Keep raising the limits? How does that solve our population and limitted resource issue? No offense i would take a 400ft limit on high over 650ft or more if i had a choice but its a temp solution.

But i do have to say that you guys do bring up some good ideals.


Add the cost of 3000 miles of shipping. You know the pain for filling you car tank full? Try doing that on a container ship.
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Old 03-19-2015, 02:38 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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Add the cost of 3000 miles of shipping. You know the pain for filling you car tank full? Try doing that on a container ship.
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Old 03-20-2015, 06:09 AM
 
Location: not sure, but there's a hell of a lot of water around here!
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Add the cost of 3000 miles of shipping. You know the pain for filling you car tank full? Try doing that on a container ship.
Have we gone adrift?? Is the entire Island chain tacking it's way to the south west? Why doesn't ANYONE tell me these things?

I need to, uuuurrrrpppp, scuze me, know
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Old 03-20-2015, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Sunny side of Ottawa
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+1 ^^^ Wouldn't let me rep you again.
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Old 03-20-2015, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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Have we gone adrift?? Is the entire Island chain tacking it's way to the south west? Why doesn't ANYONE tell me these things?

I need to, uuuurrrrpppp, scuze me, know
I picked a round number because not everything originates from the coast (though the ship does). Lazy writing.
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Old 03-21-2015, 10:25 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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Another Consequence of rapid population growth & development on resources and culture & economy of Hawai'i is, the effect of population growth and gentrafication on the culture and population of locals. As the influx of big money and more move to Hawai'i we are seeing more locals moving because of the high cost of living. Further the culture is changing to make it suit those outside of Hawaii. Often we hear that the population growth is from births in Hawai'i, thou partially true. That isnt the whole picture. In a recent study it was found that the population of locals was down drastically in hawaii compared to prior decades.

Local Pride? Most Hawaii Towns Saw Decline in Hawaii-Born Residents - Civil Beat

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Old 03-23-2015, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Portland OR / Honolulu HI
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I found this article interesting and it seems relevant to the thread with respect to culture and development.

It looks at the Howard Hughes tower developments in Kakaako and states that 50% of all the units sold to date were purchased by local Hawaii residents. The remaining 50% were sold to buyers from Japan, Canada, China, Korea, Australia and the Mainland.

And of those 50% purchased by non-Hawaii residents, 25% were from Japan and only 10% were purchased by people from the Mainland.

Given that 50% of the units are purchased by current local Hawaii residents and another 25% are purchased by residents from Japan, and only 10% from the Mainland, would this represent really anything much different culturally than exists today in Kakaako ?

Or would change be primarily just what you would expect to see in terms of change because of generational change as the culture of one generation passes on to the adjustments of the younger generation ?

It is a sincere question because part of what attracts me to Hawaii is the culture of the people that live there.

Half of units in Howard Hughes' luxury Honolulu towers sold to Hawaii residents - Pacific Business News
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Old 03-23-2015, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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It looks at the Howard Hughes tower developments in Kakaako and states that 50% of all the units sold to date were purchased by local Hawaii residents. The remaining 50% were sold to buyers from Japan, Canada, China, Korea, Australia and the Mainland.

Given that 50% of the units are purchased by current local Hawaii residents and another 25% are purchased by residents from Japan, and only 10% from the Mainland, would this represent really anything much different culturally than exists today in Kakaako ?
That is a lot of local resident buying - and certainly debunks it is a bunch of "mainland" people snapping up all the units. Good article.
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Old 03-23-2015, 11:42 PM
 
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That is a lot of local resident buying - and certainly debunks it is a bunch of "mainland" people snapping up all the units. Good article.
Lol. And what is the requirement to be considered a "Hawaii resident" ? Lived in Hawaii for a week? A month? A year?

Just more warm and fuzzy pro-development propaganda.
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