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Sounds like a case of "my kid is adorable and everyone should think they're the most precious thing on the planet" colliding with "I hate all kids and they should be locked away until they're 18".
no, I don't believe that either.....there are always civil ways and thoughts to handle situations. First concern should be, consideration for others.
When people say "take their child outside" what do they specifically mean? I'm genuinely curious.
You mean into a car? On the sidewalk? In the waiting area? Do you do this regardless of weather? What if you're eating alone, you just take everything and vacate the table?
I personally wouldn't take a happy baby outside just for being noisy. I've taken toddlers outside because they got too noisy and wiggly, and didn't want to stay in their chairs; so that they could yet their ya ya's out. I've taken my babies out to the car to give them a bottle, stuff like that.
If a 6 month old is upset, it's for a reason. They're wet, they're poopy, or they're hungry or their cold/hot. Sometimes they're over tired, and benefit from being removed from the noisy situation for a few minutes, so they can fall asleep.
But none of those reasons seem applicable to this story. The 10 month old was just being happy.
Sorry, but no. Having a kid doesn't mean the parents have to avoid restaurants for the next 18 years. Completely absurd. Children are not embarrassments to be locked away from the public.
How about this? If you want to guarantee no screaming kids in restaurants, avoid restaurants with screaming kids. Problem solved! They won't be at Le Chic Restaurant, they won't be in the bar section, they won't be there at 9 PM. It's quite easy to avoid kids.
Doesn't always work. One year, we went to a fancy French restaurant for a late dinner for our anniversary. A family with 2 toddlers came in and proceeded to let the toddlers run wild, stare and talk at other diners and literally take food off their tables and run off with it. The parents thought it was charming, the other patrons did not though I have to admit it was pretty funny. The manager swiftly went over and gave the parents a talking-to, they left in a huff and everyone was happy.
Direct opposite, we went to an R-rated movie and someone's baby started screaming. The (presumed) father left his seat and stood in the main aisle, rocking the screaming baby and keeping everyone in the vicinity from being able to hear the dialogue. And no one did anything. Not cool!!
yes, I cannot believe how early people take newborns out today, before they have all their shots.
It just wasn't done when our children were growing up. And if we couldn't take our child along, we just didn't go. Even in church, we walked out with our child if he started crying or left him in the nursery, but, I really wanted to start him early at learning how to behave in public. The do's and don'ts so to speak. I believe he was a toddler, when we started, and I remember so many people stopping and saying what a good boy he was, and he was, we were very proud of him and still are.
A toddler is significantly older than a 6 month old.
No one expects children to behave, of course they are going to try to push your buttons out in public, all I'm saying is, that it might make everyone a lot more peaceful if more parents would be aware of the fact, that you are in public, so, lets work at this together, instead of fighting it....
I don't know, seems pretty simple to me.?
I believe "Awareness" has been lost....by allowing children to have their way all the time, so it doesn't matter how it inconveniences others or spoils their evening....
Well in public is a pretty general statement. Moms need to go to the doctor, grocery shopping and other places. No one needs to go to a sit down restaurant bringing a baby. Of course if you have one that can pretty much not disrupt others who are paying to have a nice relaxing meal, then that is different. Nothing's perfect of course.
There are also places like Chuck E Cheese that specialize in kids. So if your child misbehaves, that's a place where people expect alot of ruckus. We ate there alot with our toddler
well, no actually I'm not projecting my personal experience....I read an article where the baby was in fact consistantly screaming.
Perhaps the manager was one of those people who allowed their children to scream in public as well.
You made another comment about it "only" being a texas roadhouse....
There is no comparison or distinction between the two...regardless, one must be aware of the fact that there are other people out there, paying customers, who wish to have an evening with their friends.
As I suggested before, we're all different, and some people, especially older folks with neurological disorders, cannot stand that kind of shrill noise. So to to consider that, might be wise....and helpful to develop that awareness?
Where in the article did it say the two old ladies had neuro disorders?
Where in the article did it say the screaming was consistent?
Maybe the manager knows he's managing a Texas Roadhouse...not a quiet fine dining establishment? Texas Roadhouse I'm sure makes tons of $$$ off of families with kids, maybe this manager is smart enough to know where his cheese is? Yup, with parents with kids. This is not a small point. Would you go to a NASCAR race and complain about the lack of a fine wine selection?
Doesn't always work. One year, we went to a fancy French restaurant for a late dinner for our anniversary. A family with 2 toddlers came in and proceeded to let the toddlers run wild, stare and talk at other diners and literally take food off their tables and run off with it. The parents thought it was charming, the other patrons did not though I have to admit it was pretty funny. The manager swiftly went over and gave the parents a talking-to, they left in a huff and everyone was happy.
Those parents were wrong to bring their kid to that kind of restaurant. Easy enough.
Direct opposite, we went to an R-rated movie and someone's baby started screaming. The (presumed) father left his seat and stood in the main aisle, rocking the screaming baby and keeping everyone in the vicinity from being able to hear the dialogue. And no one did anything. Not cool!!
I thought you had to be 18+ to be at an R Rated movie and 13+ to see a PG13 movie?
I am not sure of your hypothesis here so cannot comment on it.
Low income people generally cannot afford to go out to eat in the first place, as I stated. little lone to a sit down restaurant where a tip is expected also. They usually stay with inexpensive, less fancy restaurants such as fast food for example. For clarity, Here is their menu. https://www.texasroadhouse.com/menu
My "hypothesis" is that a restaurant that calls ITSELF a casual restaurant is not transformed into a fancy restaurant based on the menu or the prices. Yes, it has table service and yes, it's more expensive than fast food. That does not make it a fancy restaurant and the income level of a patron, whether it's high or low, doesn't change that. It might be a rare treat for a poorer person to go there, but that still doesn't make it a fancy restaurant.
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Originally Posted by cremebrulee
well, no actually I'm not projecting my personal experience....I read an article where the baby was in fact consistantly screaming.
Perhaps the manager was one of those people who allowed their children to scream in public as well.
You made another comment about it "only" being a texas roadhouse....
There is no comparison or distinction between the two...regardless, one must be aware of the fact that there are other people out there, paying customers, who wish to have an evening with their friends.
As I suggested before, we're all different, and some people, especially older folks with neurological disorders, cannot stand that kind of shrill noise. So to to consider that, might be wise....and helpful to develop that awareness?
I never said anything about "only" a Texas Roadhouse, merely commented on the fact that it's a self-defined casual restaurant and it's on the loud side. So someone with a neurological disorder who cannot handle loud noises should not be dining there in any case. I've been in restaurants many, many times with adults who are every bit as loud - or louder! than a yelling baby, particularly with a bit of alcohol in them.
If someone needs a quiet environment, then they have the affirmative responsibility to seek one out, not to complain because a loud restaurant is loud, whether it's adult or child patrons who are contributing to the loudness.
I remember the yelling just to hear oneself yell phase. I thought all babies went through this phase. It seems like some have forgotten. It's extremely normal. I see and hear it regularly when around babies of a certain age. It doesn't bother me at all. It's very different then the distressing sound of a baby crying.
Texas Roadhouse is a loud place and because of that is the perfect place for a family to go out to eat if they have a baby.
Yep, I remember that phase too. And often times when they'd yell, they'd look right at you and smile or laugh.
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