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Old 08-01-2015, 10:48 AM
 
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Sounds good to me. I hate socialism, and I've fought against it my entire life.
So using that logic, I guess we should privatize all roads as well? You know those roads you take for granted are public, taxpayer funded roads that someone has paid for. Maybe we should all be required to purchase transponders for cars that are linked to our bank accounts that deduct money every time we pass through an intersection or turn the corner? That's basically how privatizing the transportation industry would work. Unless you are in favor of turning every singe road into a toll facility that someone profits off of, I think you should really rethink what you are proposing.
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Old 08-01-2015, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Glendale, Arizona
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So using that logic, I guess we should privatize all roads as well? You know those roads you take for granted are public, taxpayer funded roads that someone has paid for. Maybe we should all be required to purchase transponders for cars that are linked to our bank accounts that deduct money every time we pass through an intersection or turn the corner? That's basically how privatizing the transportation industry would work. Unless you are in favor of turning every singe road into a toll facility that someone profits off of, I think you should really rethink what you are proposing.
Why do people like you always have to go off the deep end, and take something to the extreme? You have kids by choice. You, not me, or anyone else should have to pay to educate them. Especially when so many pay additionally to educate them privately. Todays public schools are filled with communist preaching teachers and professors. It has gotten to the point of insanity. And the kids being "graduated" are dumber than stumps. And a great many of the "teachers" who got them that way cannot be fired because of tenure, along with overly powerful unions who's unsustainable pensions are helping bankrupt many cities like Chicago.

We all pay property taxes, as well as motor vehicle license taxes, sales taxes, excise taxes, gasoline taxes, and a host of other taxes to support our roads and infrastructure. I do not want, like, or support socialized education, or medicine. We see what the results of both are, and it stinks on ice. How many bad examples do you need? Wake up!
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Old 08-01-2015, 01:19 PM
 
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Why do people like you always have to go off the deep end, and take something to the extreme? You have kids by choice. You, not me, or anyone else should have to pay to educate them. Especially when so many pay additionally to educate them privately. Todays public schools are filled with communist preaching teachers and professors. It has gotten to the point of insanity. And the kids being "graduated" are dumber than stumps. And a great many of the "teachers" who got them that way cannot be fired because of tenure, along with overly powerful unions who's unsustainable pensions are helping bankrupt many cities like Chicago.

We all pay property taxes, as well as motor vehicle license taxes, sales taxes, excise taxes, gasoline taxes, and a host of other taxes to support our roads and infrastructure. I do not want, like, or support socialized education, or medicine. We see what the results of both are, and it stinks on ice. How many bad examples do you need? Wake up!
The roads also have preaching socialist teachers and professors driving on them, you choose to drive nobody forces you either why can't you pay to privatize your routes? I didn't make you drive anywhere you chose to. Given the condition of our roads maybe socialized roads aren't working after all.
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Old 08-01-2015, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Glendale, Arizona
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The roads also have preaching socialist teachers and professors driving on them, you choose to drive nobody forces you either why can't you pay to privatize your routes? I didn't make you drive anywhere you chose to. Given the condition of our roads maybe socialized roads aren't working after all.
Is there a point in any of that? Because if there is, I sure as hell can't find it. The problem with people like you is there can be no government big enough to satisfy you. You continually look for ways to make government bigger and more expensive. Not smaller, cheaper, and less intrusive into peoples lives. And in the process make people more self reliant, and less government dependent. Using your logic why don't we have communist grocery stores? We all have to eat. How about communist clothing and shoe stores? Why not? No one runs around naked and barefoot. How about communist electric and gas companies? We all need to see in the dark, and be able to cook our food and keep warm in the Winter.

While we're at it let's communize places like Disney and Sea World. Why should only people with extra money be allowed to vacation? Why should poor kids be deprived of meeting Mickey, Daffy, and Goofy? And let's go with communist dentistry as well. Doesn't everyone in this great nation require a good set of teeth, along with a nice smile? The only time this type of stupidity and foolishness ends with people like you, is when the country goes bankrupt........ Which it's damn close to.

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Old 08-01-2015, 02:07 PM
 
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Why do people like you always have to go off the deep end, and take something to the extreme? You have kids by choice. You, not me, or anyone else should have to pay to educate them. Especially when so many pay additionally to educate them privately. Todays public schools are filled with communist preaching teachers and professors. It has gotten to the point of insanity. And the kids being "graduated" are dumber than stumps. And a great many of the "teachers" who got them that way cannot be fired because of tenure, along with overly powerful unions who's unsustainable pensions are helping bankrupt many cities like Chicago.

We all pay property taxes, as well as motor vehicle license taxes, sales taxes, excise taxes, gasoline taxes, and a host of other taxes to support our roads and infrastructure. I do not want, like, or support socialized education, or medicine. We see what the results of both are, and it stinks on ice. How many bad examples do you need? Wake up!
You said you hate socialism. Publicly funded roadways are a great example of a socialistic system that you clearly benefit from. Transportation clearly benefits us all. The clothes on your back, the items in your home, the food in your refrigerator were all transported via publicly funded roads. Just because you don't use something personally doesn't mean that you don't get some secondary benefit from its existence. The same goes for schools. I guess we should abolish public education and let kids who can't afford a private education go uneducated. When those uneducated kids grow up, they will have next to no skills, and their chances of remaining unemployed will be exponentially higher than kids whose parents can afford private education. Those uneducated kids will then live on the street, likely turn to lives crime to try to support themselves, and will give birth to a new generation of kids who are exactly in the same position as their parents. It's funny that you have said what you don't like about "socialism," but you have yet to propose any alternatives.
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Old 08-01-2015, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Glendale, Arizona
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It's funny that you have said what you don't like about "socialism," but you have yet to propose any alternatives.
I have. Private education to start. You want kids, then you pay for them. If not, don't have them. Same with abortions. Defund these worthless organizations like Planned Parenthood, that wastes a half billion dollars a year of the taxpayers money. If the product is so superior, and so needed, let them get private funding. If they can't, then it will collapse, just like any other private business. The same with NPR. End Welfare and Food Stamps for all but the most extreme cases. And then allow it for ONLY 6 months. You watch how fast those people will find jobs. More than one if necessary.

Fed Ex and UPS make a profit every year. We pump billions into the USPS every year, and they are constantly broke. What people like yourself don't think about, is where are we going to get the money for all this? You want it, but you don't have a clue how to pay for it. Just how to spend more that we don't have.

You want to talk about roads? Great, let's talk about them. In the 50's through the 70's we had enough money to purchase all of the right of ways, and build the entire Interstate Highway System. Now we don't even have the money to maintain it. Over a third of it needs resurfacing, and there is zero funding to do it. And remember, the Interstate Highway System was originally designed and built to be part of the Military Transport System. Just like GPS. The ability for citizens to use it came after the fact. It was not originally planned and built for the public.

Look what happened to the health care industry since Obama and his bunch of socialists got their hands on it. It's supposed to be cheaper. Then why am I spending over $14K a year to insure my wife and I? It was less than half of that before the government got involved. And the coverage was better.

We will be over $20 TRILLION dollars in debt by the time Hussein gets his worthless ass out of office. And yet people like you want even more government. You just never learn. No wonder why over one third of the citizens in this country are as broke as the government they just can't get enough of.
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Old 08-01-2015, 11:34 PM
 
Location: The edge of the world and all of Western civilization
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Sounds good to me. I hate socialism, and I've fought against it my entire life.
How adorable! I, for one, would love to see a kindergartener doing a book report on Animal Farm, discussing its symbolism of hypocrisy and corruption in the Politburo at the cost of the blood, sweat and tears of the Russian proletariat. Or I guess in your case, as you were fighting against "socialism" your whole life, you wouldn't partake. So I envision a conversation you had with the teacher: "Mrs. Schneider, umm... umm... I can't do my ABCs or have chocolate milk at recess because you and this useless pork institution suckle from the teat of the federal government and are a burden on the working class American, and there is no benefit to educating me or the others of my generation, who will eventually assume responsibility of this country. Can I go potty? I'll go outside so I don't incur the expense of flushing the potty and washing my hands."
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Old 08-02-2015, 01:16 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Only 8% will be used for streets. there is NO requirement in the initiative that any of the proposed projects in the plan actually get built in the end they can use the money for anything. I'm sure at first they will use it but in 2-3 years when everyone forgets about prop 104 they will find a way to use it to fix some pension plan problem.
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Old 08-02-2015, 04:58 AM
 
Location: Glendale, Arizona
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I'll go outside so I don't incur the expense of flushing the potty and washing my hands.
Flushing worthless, over compensated, union supported, communist teachers would be a much better start, than flushing urine and fecal matter. You would get rid of more waste, far more cost effectively.
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Old 08-02-2015, 01:06 PM
 
Location: The edge of the world and all of Western civilization
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Flushing worthless, over compensated, union supported, communist teachers would be a much better start, than flushing urine and fecal matter. You would get rid of more waste, far more cost effectively.
Right... as much as I'd love to try to explain the concept of "investments" and "continuity of thought" to someone of questionable sanity, I'm a bit pressed for time, so I'll keep it brief. Whether or not you actually notice the benefits of spending money on education, transportation, etc., putting money into those projects does, in time, cost us less now than it would in the future and also raises the potential to strengthen the economy. I've heard my parents and others in their generation remark at how amazed they are technology is rapidly increasing. It's no coincidence that when they were growing up, the US (as a direct response to what was happening in the USSR) began pumping more money into education. Whatever the Baby Boomers developed/expanded on carried over to Generation X, who were able to use that knowledge to expand it further and pass it on to Millennials... A lot of that "communist" garbage actually did lead to innovations in consumer electronics, scientific understanding, efficiency, health care and more. Something tells me when you get sick and are facing death, you won't be complaining about "wasteful spending" on education. You sure seem to enjoy spouting nonsense on the internet, which is another outcome of flushing money down the toilet in education.

Or maybe one day when your future is at stake (finances, health, mortgage, etc.) then you can have one of my cousin's kids (or someone like them) taking care of you. My cousin and his wife feel the same as you, plus more! In addition to what you feel, they also think schools are a cesspool of sin that teach the Devil's work and make children stray from Jesus, thus they're home-schooled. The oldest should be in 2nd grade by now, but can't even read. Millions of people like that taking charge of the country in the future sounds like a wonderful idea.
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