Why do people move to Pheonix? (Phoenix, Scottsdale: buying, live, cost)

[RCR]

Originally Posted by oscottscotto

The scenery is awesome ... if you love the desert landscape (and I do). Plus, it's a short drive to beautiful parts of northern Arizona. Plus, there are lots of things to do in the east valley. "Culture" leaves a bit to be desired, but for guys like me, the abundance of diverse cool natural surroundings, three professional sports teams, and ASU sports more than makes up for it.

Just curious, which of our 4 professional sports teams are you not counting???

Would it be the Cardinals, because they are not really professional...
Or did you forget the Coyotes, because who plays hockey in the desert..

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by RCR

Just curious, which of our 4 professional sports teams are you not counting???

Would it be the Cardinals, because they are not really professional...
Or did you forget the Coyotes, because who plays hockey in the desert..

Probably an honest oversight there missing the Coyotes.

FYI: the Cards are now in the Playoffs!

[RCR]

Originally Posted by ArizonaBear

Probably an honest oversight there missing the Coyotes.

FYI: the Cards are now in the Playoffs!

I realize that and am happy for them, I am a cards fan. Just keep in mind they won the weakest division in football. It also doesn't look good for them that there are still 5000 seats available and if they don't sell by 2:30 today the game will be blacked out locally. Name another city where that would happen.

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by RCR

I realize that and am happy for them, I am a cards fan. Just keep in mind they won the weakest division in football. It also doesn't look good for them that there are still 5000 seats available and if they don't sell by 2:30 today the game will be blacked out locally. Name another city where that would happen.

Believe me, I'm truly disappointed over the fact that OUR Cardinals have gone to the playoffs for the first time in over five decades, and hardly anyone is buying tickets. But then, it seems that all four of our pro sports teams face the same dilemma. Even during the 2001 World Series, our DBacks were allowed to be ridiculed (regardless of the fact that they WON). The Coyotes continue to have extremely low ticket sales as well.

I blame a lot of that on the transplant factor. Most everyone here is from somewhere else, and there's not enough loyalty to local professional sports. Go to any sports bar in & around Phoenix, and you'll see people talking about "their" teams (the Steelers, the Yankees, the Red Wings, or the Pistons). Hardly any whoop about our Cards, Suns, DBacks, or Coyotes, even when they're doing well.

[BillyBaroo]

Originally Posted by RampageInAZ

You probably lose enough sleep from your severe lack of self esteem. You have to be a big internet badass and trash other people home and opinions, all the while in real life you are an empty shell who secretly hates his life.

Have a nice day.

Steve-O stirring up things again? I put that guy on ignore a long time ago. Unfortunately, I catch some of his posts when people use the quote function to reply to him.

He's a "wannabe" Scottsdale snob. Very strange. His in-laws live there so he just parrots what he hears when he's visiting. Very sad.

[gentlearts]

I can only speak for myself. As another midwesterner, the thought of spending another winter in Ohio where the sun might not shine for weeks at a time, makes the idea of a place where the hot sun beats down day after day sound very attractive. I would move there in a heartbeat.
I lived there through a Phoenix summer in the late 60's and loved it.

[BillyBaroo]

I moved from Illinois to Arizona in 1985 because of climate. I work on golf courses and it was seasonal work back there.

[US-Traveller]

Steve-O,

Chicago is a great city and that is why I live here, but Chicago has a dismal economy, extremely high cost of living (now officially higher than Boston and DC), very high crime in the urban areas (much higher than Phoenix), and all the top notch schools are in places where you need at least $1 million to get a house that you'd pay $500,000 for in Phoenix and be in a good school district. Arizona continues to grow it's economy it's attracting high-tech companies. While Illinois continues to lose jobs and people. Phoenix has maintained a relatively low cost of living compared to cities of comparable size. There are many more reasons people move to Phoenix besides the weather. Have you seen the established areas of Phoenix? Do you know how pretty they are? Those areas like Arcadia and North Central don't have rock yards. They have pretty green grass and beautiful trees and bushes. Arizona is definitely a place I am actively considering if my Utah move doesn't work out this fall.

[RCR]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

Believe me, I'm truly disappointed over the fact that OUR Cardinals have gone to the playoffs for the first time in over five decades, and hardly anyone is buying tickets. But then, it seems that all four of our pro sports teams face the same dilemma. Even during the 2001 World Series, our DBacks were allowed to be ridiculed (regardless of the fact that they WON). The Coyotes continue to have extremely low ticket sales as well.

I blame a lot of that on the transplant factor. Most everyone here is from somewhere else, and there's not enough loyalty to local professional sports. Go to any sports bar in & around Phoenix, and you'll see people talking about "their" teams (the Steelers, the Yankees, the Red Wings, or the Pistons). Hardly any whoop about our Cards, Suns, DBacks, or Coyotes, even when they're doing well.

I'm with you on this one. I try to go to as many games as I can but it is hard to "stay out of trouble" when there are so many jerseys from the opposing team in the stands.

[d2snow]

Originally Posted by borborygmi

These threads get so tiresome. Honestly, how can one compare Phoenix to Chicago? It's apples to oranges. Again, it all depends on what one's personal preferences and priorities are. One is a world class city, but with very cold weather half the year and boring topography; the other is a mediocre city with brutally hot weather half the year, but nice winters and interesting topography.

Seriously, why do some people insist on comparing the 2 cities?

Compared to NYC, Chicago is "the second city." I was born & raised in NYC, and I love the Phoenix area just fine, thank you. I celebrate the positive side of it, rather than trying to compare it to something it is not.