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Old 06-10-2010, 01:06 PM
 
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I was having this discussion with the parents the other day--and the first thing they told me (being die-hard neo-conservative sheep that they are) is that Obama isn't doing enough to stop the oil spill.

**** me sideways. It's a damned-if-you-do damned-if-you-don't scenario. If he doesn't do anything, Obama is reamed for not being environmentally responsible and is depicted as being spineless (all by the Repubs none the less). If he does force government intervention and do something, he's seen as a socialist commie who's purpose is to bankrupt corporations and nationalize everything.
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Old 06-10-2010, 01:22 PM
 
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I was having this discussion with the parents the other day--and the first thing they told me (being die-hard neo-conservative sheep that they are) is that Obama isn't doing enough to stop the oil spill.

**** me sideways. It's a damned-if-you-do damned-if-you-don't scenario. If he doesn't do anything, Obama is reamed for not being environmentally responsible and is depicted as being spineless (all by the Repubs none the less). If he does force government intervention and do something, he's seen as a socialist commie who's purpose is to bankrupt corporations and nationalize everything.
Oh go spout that BS somewhere else where people will actually listen. Don't you know, for the billionth time being said on this forum, that IT IS the feds responsibility to protect the shores and cleanup the oil. I find it quite amusing that there are so many toddlers who spout off such ignorance like they know what they are talking about, but they don't have a clue. And to boot, they ALL turn out to be Obama supporters.
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Old 06-10-2010, 01:32 PM
 
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Oh go spout that BS somewhere else where people will actually listen. Don't you know, for the billionth time being said on this forum, that IT IS the feds responsibility to protect the shores and cleanup the oil. I find it quite amusing that there are so many toddlers who spout off such ignorance like they know what they are talking about, but they don't have a clue. And to boot, they ALL turn out to be Obama supporters.
Are you going to tell me that Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh--the clowns that Neo-Cons listen to--would praise Obama for acting and cleaning up the spill without allowing BP to perform the cleanup themselves--and more importantly, for taking BP's money to do the cleanup?
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Old 06-10-2010, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Highland, CA (formerly Newark, NJ)
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Obama ( and you libs) is the one who thinks that he can touch the Earth and all will be well. So we are waiting for him to do just that.
Not really. Way to pigeonhole an entire group of people.

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Obama's Katrina is something that the Libs are making a big deal. Nature killed people in Katrina, ok, not Bush.
Nature did kill people in Katrina. That still doesn't justify the pisspoor response.

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They knew it was coming, they stayed anyways. Not Bush's fault.
Bush knew it was coming too. Guess how much aid he was prepared to send there?

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Obama turned this disaster into a "it's all about me" ordeal.
How?

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We rightwingers want the SOB to lead. Do something other than talk tough and party with celebs.
Yet I'm sure you were perfectly fine with Bush setting record time for vacation? And then his halfassed nonchalant response to Katrina

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But since he is "busy" doing other things, then this will turn out to be very, very bad for the anointed one, not to mention the livleyhoods of many, many people. These people are losing their way of lives, while Nero over there just cusses on interviews!
Yea he is busy doing other things. You realize we're in a 2 front war right? In the middle of harsh economic times not seen in 80 years? Housing crisis? Like I said, it's a juggling act. Do I have criticism of the man? Yes. Do I think he's an omniscent god who can do anything? No. And it seems like you rightwingers are the ones critical of the fact he's not.
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Old 06-10-2010, 01:57 PM
 
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Are you going to tell me that Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh--the clowns that Neo-Cons listen to--would praise Obama for acting and cleaning up the spill without allowing BP to perform the cleanup themselves--and more importantly, for taking BP's money to do the cleanup?
Stop your partisan efforts, this isn't political. BP's job is to stop the leak WHILE the government protects it's shores. There has been a plan in place for this since 1994 and money set aside, which the feds neglected to procure the equipment needed and in effect got caught with their pants down. Again, Jindal was calling for millions of feet of containment booms from the feds, while miles and miles are still sitting in a warehouse and he still hasn't gotten what he requested from the feds. Why is that? I will ask this question again, why wasn't there an aircraft carrier sitting in the Gulf with the required containment booms on deck ready to go at a moments notice? Couldn't the President have done that in the very beginning when they knew that they failed at being prepared under the 1994 plan? Part of being a good leader is to be able to think on your feet and roll with the punches. I don't see that at all with this administration.
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Old 06-10-2010, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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This BP disaster will become our oil industry’s Three Mile Island. Whether it politically harms Obama is irrelevant to me. The consequence of this oil gush (it's not a spill) will ultimately go back to where it belongs:
This is what I said to DH the other day. I had family living near TMI when that accident happened. There hasn't been a nuclear plant built in the 31 years since then, and some have been decommissioned. I think it will be a cold day in H*** when any more off-shore drilling permits are issued.
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Old 06-10-2010, 05:11 PM
 
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I defy any person, liberal, conservative, or moderate, to provide good rationale as to why this is not "Obama's Katrina."

I'm looking for good, reasoned, rationale. Do you have any?

This is worse than Katrina! Water caused damage....but it went away and didn't kill any marine life. This oil is not going away so easily....if ever.
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Old 06-10-2010, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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This is what I said to DH the other day. I had family living near TMI when that accident happened. There hasn't been a nuclear plant built in the 31 years since then, and some have been decommissioned. I think it will be a cold day in H*** when any more off-shore drilling permits are issued.
Not quite..19 waivers and 17 permits approved since the explosion.
We're too dependent on oil to just stop it.
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Old 06-10-2010, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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This is worse than Katrina! Water caused damage....but it went away and didn't kill any marine life. This oil is not going away so easily....if ever.
The water killed many people.
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Old 06-10-2010, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Not quite..19 waivers and 17 permits approved since the explosion.
We're too dependent on oil to just stop it.
I stand corrected.
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